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Michigan vs. Cal? I Don't Think So.

Now that my introduction is over, let's delve into something a bit more...substantiative.  Recently, this site has discussed the possibility of a Michigan vs. Cal rivalry, brought to us by our good friend (apparently) carp from California Golden Blogs.  This was borne of a post in which he lamented the fact that Cal, despite being a major program in a major football state, does not have a true OOC rivalry.  Sad story indeed.

First, let me qualify my general negativity in this post.  I like Cal.  I like the uniforms, I like Jahvid Best, hell I kinda like Berkley in that "holy hell, would you look at that?" kind of way.  It's just that...Michigan isn't looking for new rivalries, especially ones that involve early trips west of the Mississippi.  We're already public enemy #1 on nearly every opponent's schedule.

Ok, maybe I'm being a little arrogant.

The first reason (barring the fact that it's pretty hard to just "create" a rivalry out of thin air) why I really don't want to play Cal on anything that could be considered a "basis" is this:  for well mannered Big Ten teams, traveling west early in the season = death.  It's that simple.  Look at this season alone:  Michigan State and Ohio State both suffered losses early as a result of traveling west.  Wisconsin won, sure, but against a MWC team that, as it turns out, isn't really that good despite their coach's level of awesome regarding facial hair.  Look at the past.  Michigan vs. Oregon.  Michigan vs. Washington.  Iowa vs. Arizona State.  That west coast trip messes with your head, man.  So I wouldn't so much say that I'm being arrogant as I'm being respectfully fearful.  West Coast trips are baaaaad juji for Big Ten teams, and frankly, I don't need to see a(nother) National Championship wrecking loss to Cal (Oregon) in week 3.

Like some of the commenters in that thread, I am tired of playing Notre Dame every year.  But that is an already established rivalry that was a marquee matchup as late as 2006.  As soon as both programs have "returned to glory" (I just threw up a little) that game will be back to being fairly sweet.  I could certainly do with a little life injected into the OOC schedule, but a long trip out west for a contrived rivalry isn't what I'm looking for, mostly because I'm too afraid Michigan will lose.  Better to stay at home, beat up on ND when they're bad, and go undefeated than to go out for an uber-risky game in Berkley that could very easily hand you a loss, at least as it stands under the current parameters of the BCS, etc.

Here's where the arrogance starts.  There is a strong argument to be made that an early OOC loss doesn't hurt you that bad provided that it is to the right team, and that you are in the National Title hunt to begin with.  For example, this year, Ohio State went out and played USC.  Two teams, both in the top 5, both with National Title aspirations.  It turned out to be pretty much a worst-case scenario for the Buckeyes, and they still only dropped 8 spots to number 13.  Given all the teams ahead of them who play each other, 13 isn't a bad spot to be in week 3.  Now imagine if OSU had played USC a little tighter.  Maybe lost Michigan-Texas style on a last second FG.  How far would they have dropped?  Maybe 2 spots to #7? Even given a royal beating, they were still in the hunt after that loss.  OSU vs. Texas is another good example of this.  Texas didn't drop hardly at all when they lost to OSU in a tight game in '06 (6 spots to #7, for those keeping score). 

My hesitation with a team like Cal is that, frankly, they're not the right team to do this with.  There are only about 10 teams that are "loss-worthy" in any given year.  USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Alabama (this year).  These are the teams, this year, that it would be acceptable to lose to early in the season.  Not only is Cal not on this list, but I don't think they've ever been anywhere close to this list.  I'm all for scheduling tough OOC matchups, but I want to be sure that we won't be punished too harshly in the polls if we lose.  I don't think Cal is good enough, now or historically, to be that team.

So thanks, carp, for the offer and the interesting subject it brings up.  There is plenty more to discuss about how to fix OOC scheduling, but until OOC scheduling is fixed, and everyone is playing risky games, I don't want any piece of Cal.  Take it as a back-handed compliment.  Your team is juuuuust scary enough not to play, especially given your location.  The risk far outweighs the reward.

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if you guys ever make it out to Berkeley

I’m sure you’ll get to see this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccgXjA2BLEY

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 29, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

traveling west early in the season = death.

What about setting up something like Notre Dame has, where you’ll notice they manage to end every season with a game either at USC or at Stanford. I think the Big 10 is sometimes at a disadvantage because its teams end play earlier in the year (and are out of the public spotlight over the last couple weeks of the season) and consequently have fewer BYEs. I don’t blame you for not wanting to play a football game in Ann Arbor in December, but I think scheduling one of your non-conference games to be a trip to a warmer climate at the end of the season might be a clever solution.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Oct 29, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OSU

The UM fanbase cherishes their traditions. Save a few random examples, UM’s last game of the year is always the Saturday before Thanksgiving against OSU. Ann Arbor Torch and Pitchfork’s sales would go thru the roof if they tried to consistently schedule a game after that.

by tbliggins on Oct 29, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Of course, after this season, I’m thinking of buying stock in AA Torch and Pitchfork…

by Beauford on Oct 29, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i get what you're saying

our Big Game with Stanfurd is the same way…a couple times the past few years we’ve had to play a game after the Big Game, and it was rather lame. last year, they moved Big Game back to the last week (1st weekend in December) which solved that problem, but doesn’t solve your cold-weather game-in-December problem.

maybe if everyone had torches, though, they could keep warm…

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Oct 29, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cal's been in and out of the top 15

(more or less) for the past 4 seasons. They finished the regular season in ’04 at #4. But I more or less agree with the SEC/Big-12 team being rated in the Top 10. All of those programs have storied histories.

Oregon St. got waxed by Penn St. Oregon St beat $C. That seems to be working out well for them considering $C is breathing down their neck despite having 1 loss.

All rivalries have to be started somewhere. They were all created because someone thought it was a good idea.

Not a big fan of being “afraid” to play teams.

Here’s a thought: Ohio St. would never have gone to the last 2 national championship games if it played a good OOC team. If you can’t win that OOC game, you aren’t good enough anyway.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 29, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True story

But at least if you make it to the NC game, you’ve got your shot. I think that, despite the recent…challenges…the Big Ten conference is hard enough to play through undefeated. Under the current system (which sucks, I get that) there is no real incentive to play another really good OOC game. Playing patsies to start your season then going undefeated is good enough…unless you’re Michigan. Then you get to lose to those patsies.

by Beauford on Oct 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no

I agree most with your opening premise that simply creating a rivalry doesn’t make sense at all. If there isn’t at least some history there, then simply wishing it come true won’t make it so.

Damn, that was awkward.

The point is, if Cal & Michigan started playing next year, it would likely be ten or twenty years before anything close to a rivalry was started. And we’d have to play every stinking year, with something on the line.

Perhaps if Cal & Michigan were to start meeting in bowl games, something could sprout, but that is pretty damned unlikely with the conference bowl tie-ins. And the fact that Michgan may not be in a bowl game for another few years (NAILED IT!).

Until then, however, I wouldn’t mind seeing the occasional home-and-home matchup, as the Pac-10 & Big Televen seem to always have a number of early seasons skirmishes.

And as far as the argument of being a “loss-worthy” opponent … it seems Cal & Michigan have been on pretty equal footing for the last 5 years or so, and if not for some public whinging, would have met in the Rose Bowl a few years back.

Go Bears!

by SoCal Oski on Oct 29, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Fear is not an ingredient of a Championship

Agreed – Michigan does horrible on the West Coast.

Disagree – This is a lame reason to not schedule teams on the West Coast.

If we are to continue as one of the elite programs in the country, we should want to play anyone, anywhere (well, at least one team in addition to ND).

Fear of losing is an unbelievably bad reason to not schedule a competitive matchup. Are we mice or men? Men is what we are. (okay, I’m making myself laugh here).

Look, If we beleive we are the “leaders and best”, then let’s prove it (as long as the proving starts sometime after 2009). If we don’t want to play Cal becuase we think losing to them would preclude us from playing for the NC, then we probably don’t have the minerals to be playing for it anyway.

You want the Big 10 to cease being a running joke in CFB? You want people to stop thinking of Michigan as a program on the downside? Then let’s show up in places like South Bend as well as Berkeley, Los Angeles as well as Lincoln. Fuck it, let’s be the program that takes on anyone.

by tmosnow on Oct 30, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

nice post

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 30, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a lose-lose with Cal

I have no problem with scheduling tough opponents, but wouldn’t you rather schedule an Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, USC than a Cal? My problem is less with the “fear” factor, and more to do with the fact that I can’t see a single benefit in scheduling a Cal level program on a difficult west-coast trip. These are the following outcomes of a game with Cal, assuming Michigan gets back to the top-10 level program that they’ve been in the past:

option 1) Win. This is good, but if you’re in the top 10 and you beat #17 Cal, it’s not really that shocking, will move Cal out of the rankings, and does very little to further your resume.

option 2) Lose. This is a huge upset, will probably drop Michigan to around #18-20, and put our climb back up to top-10 in jeopardy, and probably destroys our hopes at a national title.

Let’s replace Cal with preseason #2 Florida:

Option 1) Win. You’ve got a clear resume booster, a victory over a legacy SEC team, and you’ve probably cemented yourself in the #1 spot until you lose.

Option 2) Lose. Ok, you lost to #2 Florida. If you kept it close you probably stay in the top 10. If you got blown out (like OSU did against USC) you’ll drop to what? 12th? Still not that bad.

Cal is a good team. They are, IMO, just as capable of beating Michigan as a team like Florida (especially given the West Coast thing). Why would you schedule a team like Cal where the benefits of a hard-fought victory are very little, and the punishment for a hard-fought loss is immense? Wouldn’t you rather schedule Florida (or a team like that) where it’s more of a win-win regarding the outcome?

I’m not saying “don’t schedule tougher OOC opponents.” I’m saying that we need to schedule the RIGHT tougher OOC opponents, and unfortunately, Cal doesn’t make much sense.

by Beauford on Oct 30, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I here ya

but the SEC/Big-12 don’t usually schedule “Michigans.” The SEC is improving though.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Oct 30, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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