Fixing the Michigan Defense: Why Not Try a 4-2-5?
[Ed Note - Look. I'm not a football player. I'm not a coach. I'm just a fan who is desperately looking for solutions to a serious Michigan problem, fixing what may be the worst Michigan defense I've ever seen. So this is meant to be an open ended question. If you've got a better idea, put it in the comments or write a FanPost on what Michigan should be doing or should be trying to plug the gigantic hole in our defense known as our pass defense.]
Watching Michigan play defense this season has been like watching a Rocky movie. And not one of those feel good ones where Rocky raises his arms in triumph, drapes himself in the American flag and says something patriotic in unintelligible Jersey-speak to an audience that can't understand him. No. This is more like the original Rocky. The Rocky where Apollo Creed beats the ever living hell out of Rocky for 15 rounds and, eventually, Rocky finally falls down from head trauma and multiple concussions, while at the same time Creed collapses from sheer exhaustion. Creed kinda gets up, but doesn't. Rocky doesn't get up at all. It's kind of a draw, but Creed really did whatever he wanted.
That sound about right?
Going into this season everyone was aware that there were some serious issues at cornerbackand linebacker. We also knew there were some problems regarding depthat linebacker and defensive line. As a result, Michigan's coaching staff told us they were making the switch to a 3-3-5 (or some variation of a three man line) in an effort to protect what little depth they had and give the team the best chance to win. Five games into the season the results are not promising.
As detailed yesterday, Michigan is dead last in the nation in pass defense and 102 in total defense overall. And yes, Michigan is dead last in the conference in total defense as well. However, all is not totally lost, Michigan is 37th overall in rush defense. So, hey. Progress.Another thing worth noting is that this Defense, the 3-3-5 stack, or whatever you want to call it is not the baby of Greg Robinson. IIRC, Robinson said he'd never run a 3-3-5 stack before coming to Ann Arbor. Let's be clear, this defensive allignment is Rodriguez's baby. So as much as we want to ooh and aah over the beautiful baby that is our offense, we're going to have to deal with its fugly-ass twin, and pray that it outgrows this awkward stage of life. So let's move on to what we've got.
With accurate and veteran passers on the schedule, filling the gaping abyss in our secondary should be (and probably is) Michigan's biggest concern going forward. But how does Michigan fix it? The first step is to identify the problems, liabilities, and strengths of what you have before trying to implement a change, so that's what we'll endeavour to do here.
In terms of obvious pass defense problems, Michigan is giving up 7.47yards a pass and isn't getting any pressure on the quarterback. In terms of pressure, the metric I'm using is the percentage of sacks versus passing attempts taht the defense is registering. I'd like to use QB hurries as well, but finding a national list of QB Hurries has proven difficult, so I'm using sacks and pass attempts as a guide.
So far this season Michigan has faced the most passing attempts in the FBS. 206 passing attempts to be exact, and for comparison, no one else is over 200. Five games into the season, Michigan has registered only registered 7 sacks. That's a ratio of 0.034 sacks per pass attempt. You've probably already figured out what that means, but if you haven't I'll translate: "It means you can throw the ball at will against this team, and only haveto deal witha sack once in approximately 30 passing attempts." And that's Michigan's performace based on mediocre competition.
Michigan's yards per completion have probably been skewed a bit by three humongous gaffes (two at Notre Dame, and the BGSU tunnel screen turned TD), but the numbers still look correct to me. Michigan's defense is getting dinked and dunked to death. As Brian said, it's death by 1,000 papercuts. Or in this case, 1,539 paper cuts (passing yards). Michigan's yards per attempt is actually less than Arkansas's, Georgia's, Indiana's, and numerous other units that are ranked higher than they are, but it's the sheer volume of short completions that is skewing the numbers. nothing's going deep (except for the aforementioned trio), it's all 5-15 yard competitions. As a result, Michigan is giving up a lot of yardage through the air and not getting any pressure. So we at least have a handle on the problems.
Alright genius, here's a cookie for stating the obvious. Now what?
Let's look at our strengths and weaknesses in pass defense. Obviously, when you've got four underclassmen in your coverage scheme and one senior who has never played a snap at corner before this year it's safe to put the entire secondary in the liability category. I'm actually of the opinion that J.T. Floyd, James Rogers, Cameron Gordon, Jordan Kovacs, Carvin Johnson and Thomas Gordon have all played pretty well given their inexperience, youth, and the scheme they're forced to play. When you're sitting in a zone the entire game, you're going to give up points. None of these guys are better than a second tier cornerback during Michigan's heyday, but they're playing hard and making tackles. They're also keeping guys covered for long stretches of time, which brings us to the other problem... the pass rush.
Initially, I thought that the defensive line depth was so poor that we had to play a 3-3-5. Five games in I'm fairly certain that is not the case. Our current starters Mike Martin, Ryan Van Bergen, and Greg Banks have been serviceable to good. They're just getting outnumbered at the point of attack. The one thing I've noticed, Michigan does have defensive line depth. A lot of it. Adam Patterson hasn't been bad. Renaldo Sagesse is the same. William Campbell is great in pass rush or goal line situations. And Jibreel Black has been outstanding as a pass rusher. Then there's Craig Roh, as pure a Defense End as you'll find. That's eight guys that can cycle in. Depth IS NOT an issue. This is actually a pretty strong group, and they've been strong against the rush.
The liability in the pass rush is Michigan's linebackers. Well... that's not fair. Mouton has been pretty good this season. But Craig Roh and Obi Ezeh have been downright awful in pass and zone coverage. Ezeh just looks lost. Roh is NOT a linebacker, no matter how much Robinson or Rodriguez want him to be. Neither Ezeh or Rohconsistently drop to the proper depthin coverage and both are easily drawn in on play action. In Roh's case, it's inexperience. In Ezeh's case.... well.... yeah. At this point there's really one serviceable linebacker, and that's Mouton. Sure he's had a bad game against UMass, but he's been solid otherwise.
In that case our liabilities are secondary in long time zone coverage, our linebackers in coverage and pressure, and our line getting pressure on the quarterback so that our inexperienced secondary isn't exposed. That about sums it up.
The next step then is... what?
Call me nuts, but I'm okay with the majority of the play of the defense at the ends. The secondary isn't great, but they're in a soft zone and will remain in it the rest of the year. Why? Because they're young, small, inexperienced, and all of those things times five. The Line is actually pretty good, we're just not playing enough of them. The issue, and this is a shocker, is Roh and Ezeh at Linebacker. The fix is actually pretty simple.
We saw a little bit of this against Indiana and I think it's a good idea: Sit Ezeh, move Roh to full time DE, play four linemen, move Kovacs to MLB.
The alignment would then look like this:
Safeties: J.T. Floyd and Cameron Gordon. We saw a lot of this in the nickle set, but I think it works. Floyd's got much better wheels than Kovacsandthat takes some of the pressure off Gordon. It also puts an experienced hand at Safety until more depth is game ready.
Corners: James Rogers and/or Terrence Talbott and/or Courtney Avery and/or Cullen Christian. Right now Rogers looks cemented at one of the corner spots. He's not good. He's mediocre, but given the distance he's covered and the consistency with which he's mediocre, this is 100% WIN. If he gets replaced it's because one of the young guys stepped up. Terrence Talbott saw all kinds of playing time against Indiana and I thought was decent. Likewise I think putting Courtney Avery out there might not be a bad idea either. Christian looks like he'll need a little more seasoning/film study before he makes the leap, but it's always a possibility. This isn't ideal, but neither is our defrense at the moment, so what the hell.
Another fun thing about this is it also frees up Thomas Gordon or Carvin Johnson to either go into press coverage at the line or blitz like demons. Thismakes the "spinner position" much more dangerous because both of these kids have been good in rush defense and are more than adequate in pass coverage. By moving Kovacs to MLB, we're assured of having that position in the right place, or a tight end actually covered, thus freeing them to cover the slot or bring a delayed or snap blitz. Imagine! Pressure!
Linebacker: Jonas Mouton and Jordan Kovacs. Mouton needs no introduction. He's been great this year. Kovacs may be teeeeeeny, but the man just makes plays. He's a natural ball hound and has an uncanny ability to find the runningback and make tackles. He just can't be blocked. I don't know how he does it, but he's always shedding blocks, usees his hands effectively and smacks a mofo upside his head. He's also faster and better in coverage than Ezeh is. The fact that he's great in the box and knows the defense from the safety position can only help Michigan. If you need more bulk, play Brandon Herron at this position and shift Kovacs back to Safety and Floyd to CB. Michigan does have options here, and most importantly (and I really do feel bad about saying this) it gets Ezeh off the field when Michigan needs to play pass defense or defense in general.
The Line: This isn't revolutionary at all, but for pete's sake, play four down linemen. The original justification was depth. That justification is incredibly hollow now. You have nine capable players for four spots! USE THEM! Michigan isn't getting any pressure with three down linemen and Rohis a liability in coverage at linebacker. He is a dominant player on the line. So start the line with Van Bergen, Martin, Banks and Roh. You get two good pass rushers and two space eaters inside. The nice thing here is that you can sub in Jibreel Black on pass rush downs, Will Campbell for pressure up the middle, Adam Patterson and Sagesse to spell Banks and Martin. All of a sudden you're getting more pressure, and you're getting your best two run defenders, Kovacs and Mouton in gaps.
Based on what I've seen, this seems to make the most sense. Michigan State has bothan excellent ground game and a veteran passer with talented receivers. If Michigan is going to be able to hang the the Spartans, they're going to have to get pressure on the quarterback. Based on what I've seen, I think this would do it, especially against MSU's somewhat shakey line. But then again, what do I know? What do you guys think. Would this 4-2-5 system work?
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Nice...
I usually just watch the games with fingers crossed, I say alot of “Drop it” and “Get Him”… I think this has more to do with Personnal. Its Michigan Football 2010.
PS: Cam Gordon will get better… alot better!
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
We're currently running a 3-1-6
And yes, that equals 10. I’m not counting Ezeh, because until he plays a game where he’s more useful than harmful I can’t.
The issue is more about getting pressure with down linemen and not using a lineman (Roh) as a linebacker. He’s just not suited for it. If we play to our strengths, Line and secondary numbers (yes, I just wrote that), then a 4-2-5 makes some sense. But this is, at best, guess work. For all the hand wringing about the secondary it’s clear to me that the thinnest position on Michigan’s football team is Linebacker. We have one (Mouton) and maybe two (Herron) who aren’t liabilities at linebacker. I’m just trying to minimize the impact the backers are having while keeping our good backer on the field.
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Oct 5, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions
My hopes
I’m going to get repetitive this week but….
Lewan/Omameh get downfield and repeatedly put Jones on the ground until he get so frustrated he overpursues everything and repeatedly reads plays wrong, I want to hear an announcer say he’s looking like Ezeh.
Robinson is so keyed on by their LB’s that he passes for more yards than Mallett, with 2 long TD runs once they get honest(key future photo of him burning Gjones in the heisman pose).
Roh eats Cousins repeatedly, and floyd/anyone of the non 3-men catch him blindsided at full speed and he drops the ball setting up an easy TD.
Martin unleashes his inner demon and Cousins buys a night light on the way back to Lansing.
Finally, the other Hart decides, hey I want to go to A2 to beat up on little brother and be like Mike.
Ha
I want to hear an announcer say he’s looking like Ezeh
I’m not counting on it, but it’s a nice sentiment.
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Oct 5, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
defense
anyone looking at a tape of Saturdays game can see in a minute how much more effective the four down line rush was.
with the youth in our secondary, it becomes obvious that we must find a way to put
pressure on the quarterback
yes yes yes
Who has Gurg abd Coach Rod’s ear? Implement immediately.
We shouldn’t have to PRAY for an adequate defense. I almost can’t remember…didn’t we used to have a reputation for playing good defense?
also…@goblue14
Love the comments
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Herron over another young CB
Good idea’s. Me personally I like Herron in and Kovakcs’ at Safety(or whatever they are calling his position now a days). Love Kovaks’ tackling ability, but I feel more comfortable having 2 proto-typical linebackers on the field.
But regardless of the different options we could go with, two things are for sure.
1) Ezeh needs to have his scholarship pulled( or maybe do a Saban and Medical Scholarship)
2) Move Roh back to DE where he can be a star again.
425
Sounds like a 443 we played at U of Buffalo in the early ’60’s; ( BTW “Buddy” Ryan was our DC) … it takes a 2 strong Ts and DEs who let nothing through the center line … allowing the 2 LBS and CB’s to become executioners. In Chicago Buddy threw in a MLB, spread the OLBs and backed off the CBs
Sounds perfect to me
I think Michigan’s got those kinds of Tackles, they just need to use them. There’s a part of me that thinks this 335 has been installed to stop Terrelle Pryor. But there’s a lot of me that thinks it just something that Rodriguez wants to run…
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Oct 5, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If it will stop Pryor lets sick with it…
by BlueinHumboldt on Oct 5, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
How has Will Campbell managed to not get on the field when the D is this bad
It would be amazing to see the diff. of this D if Will Campbell had developed by now. They could put Roh’s hand back on the ground and combine that with Martin and a theoretical developed Campbell. They would then have a pass rush and alleviate the pressure off the DB’s and LB’s. Well, Roh is playing way out of position and Campbell cant find his way on the field which is depressing given how terrible the D is. I dunno what they need to do but I like what Simpkins said, crazy is trying something over and over and expecting a different result, time to change something up
If you’re going to do it, do it right I say. At the end of the year get in touch with Dick Bumpas, TCU’s beastly D-Coordinator and have him install his run stuffing, multiple blitz optioning 4-2-5 the right way. If Gerg is as unfamiliar with the 4-2-5 as he is with the 3-3-5 he’s just going to have the same problems as he has now scheme wise, except without an offseason of work and practice in the system. I’m not really against Gerg as a rule, but if you want a good 3-3-5, bring in a real 3-3-5 guy. The same is true for the 4-2-5.
Will Campbell is still obviously not where the coaching staff wants him, probably because on run defense he appears to enjoy “donkey rides”….
Kovacs is so “good” of a tackler, ie, makes plays, because people are absorbing the lineman at the lb position, so he should be making those plays. What happens when instead of being locked up, a lineman just knocks Kovacs to the ground and laughs at him while continuing on… Maybe 4 on the dl would prevent this, but I don’t really expect a 200lb kid to do big things at the MLB spot
by Biakabutuka Smash on Oct 6, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions
Agree with the suggestion here, but would like to add one thing....
“Call me nuts, but I’m okay with the majority of the play of the defense at the ends. The secondary isn’t great, but they’re in a soft zone and will remain in it the rest of the year. Why? Because they’re young, small, inexperienced, and all of those things times five.”
I have to say that while zone makes sense for this inexperienced group of ends, I’m seeing a) Our ends playing as if they’re thinking “Ok, if the opposing receiver is more than 1 yard away from where I’m standing, he’s not my responsibility” and b) a total lack of aggression.
I would like to see, if only to give the opposing offense another look, some man coverage at least every once in a while. Maybe once out of every 6 snaps, on average? Especially on the plays where the opposing offense only has 2 wide. Let’s play 2 corners per receiver in man coverage, one playing the aggressive short side while a second protecting the long ball.
I know our secondary is inexperienced, but I’d love to see them at least make some attempts at being aggressive and running with the receiver every once in a while.
Banks at DT
The 4-2-5 as Dave’s laid it out would be more vulnerable up the middle than the current 3-3-5. Banks is tall (6’4") and relatively light (275). I just don’t see him holding up to double teams, think Pat Massey 2.0. And I just can’t see Kovacks holding up in the middle with teams running downhill at him. Kovacs is excellent in space, but in the middle, he would be operating in much more confined circumstances.
This lineup seems designed to mitigate some of our pass D problems but at the cost of opening up the middle of our defense to the big, physical running teams that constitute most of the remaining schedule. The 4-2-5 would be ideal if 1. Campbell was ready, and 2. we had a second dependable linebacker big enough to play in the middle.
Not to mention the problems of trying to install a new D in the middle of the season on a team with almost no experience. Remember Purdue ‘08? IMO, the hope is that as the young corners gain more experience and we can play some man underneath, zone over the top coverages, freeing Roh, especially, to operate like a 3-4 rush linebacker. You are exactly right that the major problems are Roh’s and Ezeh’s pass drops.
(I don’t know how you see Campbell as a solid pass rush option. All I saw against BGSU was him getting stoned at the line, standing up, and blocking passes. He’s excellent on the goal line where his only responsibility is stay low and push, but he looks very green anywhere else on the field. A shame he didn’t redshirt).
Michigan linebackers
There is a kid named Demins (number 25) on the roster. He plays middle linebacker. I’ve only seen him 3 times in the last two games, in goal line situations. Two of the three plays the guy busted through the line, hit the running back in the backfield, and knocked him backward. Then he stood over him, guns a-blazin.
Why not use the kid instead of 45 (Ezah)? This kid’s a killer. You’d have to be blind not to see it. We need a disruptive influence like this in the middle of our defense. If we’d make this one change, we’d be better for it. This kid can play. I don’t know why the coaches can’t see it.
Demens has played a little but been unspectacular.
I’m with you though. PLAY HIM. the alternative is more of the same.
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Oct 7, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Syracuse fan here
You can dismiss this if you want… but whenever I watch your defense, it reminds me our defense under GERG…. cornerbacks 8 yards off the receiver on third and short… converted 3rd and longs… missed tackles… few blitzes to help out secondary (who need it because they don’t have the skill to hang in there for 6 seconds)… two good plays, one bad… team always seems to be so close to making a play, but just misses. Close enough to give you hope.
My guess is that his schemes are somewhat useful in the pro environment, where you have all week to practice and pros executing. I think he is just a poor fit in the college game. Trying to be nice.
Fair enough
I appreciate the insight, actually. There have been a lot of rumblings about the quality of the defense and none of us are blind to his track record. You’re describing every week so far this year (and most of last year).
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Oct 7, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions

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