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Counterpoint: The Case for Denard Robinson as Starting Quarterback


Maizenbrew, while primarily Dave's baby, is actually made up of several different contributors who will occassionally disagree with one another.  This is one of those instances.  I do not expect there to be a "counterpoint" to every starter listed here, but to me, Denard Robinson needs to be the primary quarterback this year, and here's why.



As far as anything approaching a proven commodity goes, Tate Forcierhas had a leg-up in the quarterback race this year.  As Dave points out, quite correctly, Tate's first four games, including a comeback performance against Notre Dame that ranks as the most fun I've had being a Michigan fan in 3 years (it has not been fun to be a Michigan fan), were spectacular.  Soon afterwards, however, his performance, whether due to injury or Molk's treasonous knee or just plain fatigue dipped fairly far south of the Mendoza line, culminating in a 4 INT day against Ohio State.  To be fair, when he wasn't completing passes to Ohio State in that game, he looked pretty good, but yeah...4 INTs are still 4 INTs.

Regardless, there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Tate Forcier would be leading the pack when it came time for Spring ball.  His advantage would have made it easy for him to come in for all sorts of praise over the Spring, saying how far he's matured, how his grasp on the offense has increased, and how he doesn't tuck and run at the first sniff of trouble anymore.  Troublingly, none of that happened.  Instead, it was Denard Robinson who came in for praise.  Here's a smattering:

"He's always had the ability to throw...Denard has certainly made some big leaps"

-Rich Rodriguez

"Last year, [Denard Robinson] kind of made some bad decisions with some passes that he knew he couldn’t get...He just tried to force it in there. That’s one thing, he stopped forcing it in and look for something else to throw it to. And I’m really proud with that because he’s looking so much better now."

- Troy Woolfork

"It’s not as hard...Last year, coming in as a freshman, [Denard Robinson] really wasn’t used to throwing the ball. He was throwing it very hard last year. Now. this year it’s like, OK, easy touch so it’s easy for us to catch the ball."

-Roy Roundtree

As I'm sure you've read during this starved existence we call an off season, there were plenty more articles, quotes, and eye-witness accounts.  Witness yourself:

Denard Robinson Every Snap Spring Game 2010 (via mgovideo)

And Ye saw, and saw that it was good.

It is clear then, from coaches to players to casual observers, that Denard Robinson has made the leap, at least in practice, from wildcat QB to real really real QB during the course of the off season.  Chalk it up to more time with the playbook, actually being coached at the QB position, etc.  His speed remains as electrifying as ever (presumably), and by all accounts his arm and - probably more importantly - his brain have caught up.  But have they caught up enough to Forcier's level of "Quarterback from the Cradle" polish?

The answer is "probably not" but I don't think that matters because it boils down to the kind of offense that Rodriguez wants to run.  When West Virginia was at their most devastating, Rodriguez was running the ball 70% of the time, IIRC.  The read-option that Rodriguez wants to run as his primary offensive weapon is much better suited to Denard's skill set.  The level of polish that Forcier has on his throws is moot because if Robinson has made the leap from "oh god don't throw" to "serviceable" then that's all he needs.  If Robinson can throw accurately just enough to keep the defense honest, then his speed on the read-option will put him over the edge as Michigan's primary quarterback.  Rodriguez himself is already gearing for this:

Rodriguez agreed with some comparisons that are being made between Pat White, whom he coached at West Virginia, and Robinson.

"They have a lot of the same abilities," Rodriguez said


If Rodriguez has a quarterback that he feels comfortable in "having a lot of the same abilities" as Pat White, the quarterback that he rode all the way to multiple BCS bowl victories, then I think you've got your starter. 

Caveats abound, of course.  This assumes health on all parties, and even then I believe you're going to see both QB's used throughout the season.  However, given all the data we have to go on at this point, I would not be surprised to see Denard Robinson both starting, and getting the majority of the playing time this season for the Wolverines given his abilities to sometimes turn a fumbled snap into this:

Denard Robinson's Michigan Debut (via davidrizik)


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Love Tate, but Denard needs to start

The Notre Dame game last year was FUN! It made Tate loved by all Michigan fans, but if Denard has caught up, even a little, he has to start.

His talents outweigh Tate’s moxy.

by Matt Briz on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

So

Is a position switch in the making for Tate or will he transfer. I don’t expect him to be willing to back up Denard and get 5 snaps a game like Denard did last year, especially for the next 3 years.

by severs28 on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t know if Tate’s athletic enough to move to receiver and I doubt if we would switch him to punter. The ideal situation to me is that either Tate or Denard separates himself from the pack and one of them redshirts next season so Gardner would have another year before he starts.

by BSU_Alum07 on Jul 30, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Devin Gardner

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 29, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

denard will start.

but i think too much is being put into the practice sessions and spring game. I think the defense is really, really bad…and its making a fast denard look good. he can run, and against a crappy defense he can throw. just look at the frustration on the defense in that spring game video. thats not denard making amazing throws…its a insufficient defensive scheme. i think when we see some real defense, well see denard making those big mistakes again. he won’t have the confidence to throw those well placed balls, and he’ll become one dimensional again. we’ll all be hoping to see tate again when um falls to 3-3.

by vermurle on Jul 29, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Denard

I could not agree more with the article. If RR wants to make a real positive splash at U of M it will be DR. This is not a knock on Tate. But he doesn’t scare anyone. DR will make D’s adjust, because the running game as a whole will be so much better. Which will lead to big plays threw the air. Please RR start DR.

by willarm1 on Jul 29, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

It's all about the offense ...

As long as RichRod is the coach running his offense a QB like Denard Robinson should be under center.

Anyone can be cool but being awesome takes practice

by moatman on Jul 29, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting...

I like it how all the people who think Denard should start are posting in this thread and all the people who think Tate should start are posting in Dave’s thread with no interaction between the two groups. We’ve got a missed oppotunity at some good debate here.

Me? I think Tate has to start simply because of his experience last year. In my opinion, what we have seen in game has to weigh more heavily than what we’ve seen in practice. Based on that, Tate is your starter. Now, it’s very true that Denard is the better fit, but he wasn’t exactly ready for primetime last year.

Tate starts against UConn with Denard rotating in frequently. If and when Denard shows that he is clearly the better QB in an actual game, he will be named the starter. This is likely to happen, but not at the beginning of the year.

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I would wait to see how Denard performs in a real game against a defense that isn’t operating with only basic schemes before I’m ready to back him as the starter. Like jeepnut, I think that Tate starts the year as the starter, but doesn’t necessarily finish as the starter.

by BSU_Alum07 on Jul 30, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

No denying Denard's

approximate skill set to that of previous great quarterbacks under Rodriguez: Shawn King, Woodrow Dantzler, Rasheed Marshall, Pat White.

While I believe Rodriguez will utilize both QBs Robinson and Forcier this year and neither will be crowned No. 1, the preferred quarterback for Rodriguez will be whoever can run the 3rd read option to the fullest and most thorough extent in order to get the ball outside quickly with UM’s tailbacks. I believe that will be Robinson. But I could be wrong.

Go Blue!

by markusr2007 on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Denard vs Tate

I think alot of people are holding it against Tate how he played after he got hurt.In my opinion if he didnt get hurt this wouldnt even be a discussion.He’d be the QB with Denard popping in now and then to mix it up.

by tommymac1965 on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Denard as McNutt.

I’m still yet to see any game evidence that Denard is a FBS quarterback. Yes, he shredded a GERG-coached D in scrimmages but there are few who would fail to do so. If Michigan really wants to utilize this duo to their fullest potential, they should start Forcier and use Robinson situationally at QB. In the meantime, they should take a page from Iowa’s playbook and convert Denard to a receiver a la Marvin McNutt. You may remember McNutt from such plays as this.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why choose??????

If I’m RR, I would want BOTH of these great athletes on the field, Denard could be all over the place from slot to wildcat, threatening the run every play….with Tate on the field as the leader, but also a threat, keep ’em both out there and mix it up….this would drive the defense crazy!

by pjessie on Jul 30, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree

denard needs to start. he is the our version of pat white. i love tate as a qb but denard you need to start

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by Lancers25 on Jul 31, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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