Penn State Hockey and It's Effect on Division One Hockey Part II: What Could Happen to College Hockey When The Lions Drop the Puck In 2012
[More on the addition of Penn State to Division I College Hockey from Friend of Brew, Windy City Wolverine. It's a three part series, and it's time for Part II:
Part I – Why Are People Freaking Out?
Part II – Penn State’s Arrival – What COULD Happen
Part III – The Crystal Ball: One Plausible Scenario, With the Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Enjoy. It's pretty awesome.]
In Part I of this series, I set out the basics of what has just happened to the college hockey world--namely that Penn State has decided to start a Division 1 program, and why a lot of people are nervous about the consequences. Now it's time to look at some plausible and, er, less plausible scenarios as to what the future holds, as well as who would benefit and who could get hurt if each scenario came to fruition.
Scenario 1: The Big Ten Hockey Conference Death Star becomes fully operational.
The first scenario is the one that most non-college hockey fans would instinctively expect to happen--a new Big Ten Hockey Conference (BTHC) forms with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio and Penn State. Jim Delaney did nothing but fan the flames of this possibility, with the statement.
"With the addition of Penn State, the Big Ten Conference will have six institutions sponsoring men's ice hockey programs, leading to the presumption that there will be a Big Ten Men's Ice Hockey Championship at some point in the future."
With the creation of the BTHC, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Minnesota and Wisconsin leave their current conferences, and all hell breaks looks. A common assumption is that each Big Ten school would play the others four times, meaning that there would be a twenty game conference schedule, along with a conference tournament at a to-be-determined location or locations.
If the BTHC scenario comes to fruition, then the future of Western college hockey will change. A lot. From the Big Ten's point of view, the Big Ten Network and some of its members could be looking at huge benefits from a BTHC. Penn State immediately gets ten marquee home games a year--making sellouts at its new 6,000 seat area quite likely. Ohio State and, to a lesser extent Wisconsin, would probably see attendance increases with more higher profile Big Ten games, as the casual "HEY I'VE HEARD OF THAT STATE SO IT MUCH BE WORTH WATCHING" crowd jumps on the bandwagon. And the increased exposure on the Big Ten network probably helps some or all of the schools in terms of visibility and recruiting. The actual financial benefit from Big Ten Network hockey is hard to quantify, but anything that makes the network more valuable directly benefits the member schools. Finally, a Big Ten conference tournament has the potential to provide even more revenue to these schools, depending on the format and location.
That being said, it doesn't all comes up roses for the Big Ten schools if they play under a single conference. In the current setup, it is not unusual for three or even four Big Ten schools to make the sixteen team NCAA tournament in a single season. Although not THE reason for this happening, the fact that the schools are split between two conferences helps a great deal. As it currently stands, both the Gophers and Badgers usually only play two games--combined--against Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State. Therefore, if two of these schools are also in the upper half of college hockey, it is very easy for up to four schools to put up very impressive records at once. However, if the Gophers and Badgers suddenly have to play twelve games against these three schools instead of two, somebody's record is going to take a pretty big hit.
On the flip side, fans of the remaining CCHA and WCHA schools fear that the result is going to be catastrophic. At a minimum, there is a fear that some of the major existing rivalries (especially in the WCHA) are going to disappear or become quite irrelevant. With a Big Ten Hockey Conference, games between Badgers/Gophers and North Dakota, Denver and Colorado College become much less frequent, and less important in many respects. There is also a major fear that, once the BTHC forms, the Big Ten schools will follow the model of their football and basketball brethren and refuse to play road games against their former conference opponents. Furthermore, one of the major money makers for the existing conferences--the conference tournaments--become much less lucrative, with lower attendance figures being almost a guarantee. Put all of this together, and a few programs could struggle to survive.
Soooooooooooooo much more after the jump...............
Despite the WCHA and CCHA fears, not all is bad for the rest of college hockey should the BTHC come a reality. One of the major issues currently facing the sport is the lack of room in the existing conferences. The WCHA currently has twelve teams, and the CCHA has eleven (with the assumption being that Penn State is welcome to the twelth spot). With no other conferences west of Pennsylvania, the existing conferences are essentially closed to new membership. As a result, any Western schools considering a Division 1 hockey program has a major issue on its hands. Would it be willing to take the risk of starting a program with no conference to play in??? Probably not. With the BTHC, however, the WCHA becomes a ten team league, and the CCHA goes down to eight. In other words--you potentially have up to six spaces for new conference members.
As far as the small-school fears are concerned, I'm not as doom-and-gloom as some, but much of that relies upon some blind faith in some schools doing "the right thing" by agreeing to give its former conference foes a hand. Currently, many of the power programs play around an eighteen or nineteen game home schedule each year. With the BTHC, that would mean ten home games and ten away games--with 14 games to spare under the NCAA 34 game limit (not including games in Alaska). In other words, Big Ten schools could still play five or six road games per year against smaller schools and still be in no worse shape than they are under the current system.
IF (and this is a 34 point font "IF"), the Big Ten schools would commit to some road games against smaller CCHA and WCHA schools for an extended period of time, I think the damage could be partially mitigated. Think about it--would it really be that hard for Michigan and Michigan State to commit to one trip to the Upper Peninsula (alternating between Northern Michigan and Lake Superior) each year? What about Wisconsin agreeing to two games per year against Michigan Tech and/or Minnesota-Duluth, with the home site alternating each year? The same goes for Minnesota against the likes of Minnesota State (Mankato) and St. Cloud, and Ohio State for Miami and Bowling Green. (And, no, games against Notre Dame DO NOT COUNT as "helping the little guy").
I'll never get tired of seeing this tho...
My personal fear is that the non-hockey types at the Big Ten schools will not be receptive to so many road games out of conference, and the basketball model becomes the unfortunately model for hockey. At first, schools start agreeing to one road series in exchange to two home series, and over time this drops down to one home series and one "neutral site" game (picture Wisconsin playing Northern Michigan in Green Bay (Oh wait, they've already done that), or the Gophers playing Minnesota Duluth at the Xcel Energy Center). Yes, you'd probably still see alternating series between Michigan/Michigan State and Notre Dame, as well as an annual Gopher/Fighting (Censored) series (So don't worry Grand Forks, you won't have to find something to do with dead gophers besides throw them on the ice). If this doesn't extend to the Ferris States and Lake Superior States of Western college hockey (the annual series, not the gopher chucking), it's not difficult to see two or three programs disappearing within the next several years.
Lastly, there is one non-Big Ten school that could benefit greatly from a BTHC. That is the only D-1 hockey school south of the Mason-Dixon line: Alabama-Huntsville. The UAH Chargers are the only current school in Division 1 college hockey without a conference. Last year, they applied to become the twelth CCHA team, but they were turned down (many believe because the CCHA was holding the spot open for Penn State). With the CCHA losing three of its four most high profile members, UAH suddenly becomes more attractive, if only to guarantee some more conference games for its current members and to keep the conference afloat.
Scenario 2: Penn State joins the CCHA....AND the Big Ten.
Under this arrangement, Penn State becomes a full CCHA member. At the same time, both the CCHA and WCHA reduce their schedules so that a Big Ten, no autobid, league can coexist with both of the conferences. Under one idea bandied around the Internet (including by yours truly), the CCHA and WCHA drop to 24 game schedules, where each team would play everyone twice except for a designated rival. Those rivalries would include (naturally) Minnesota-Wisconsin, Michigan-Michigan State and Ohio State-Penn State. At the same time, you have Minnesota and Wisconsin play two nonconference games against each of Michigan, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State. The result--a slightly unbalanced twelve game Big Ten schedule. Or, if you wanted perfect balance, you could designate two of the four rivalry games as "Big Ten" contests, resulting in a ten game schedule.
If this seems a bit strange to you, note that there is a precedent for this. The Ivy League, with six of its eight members having a Division 1 hockey program, maintains its own set of standings and statistics, even though all of its teams currently play in the ECAC Hockey League. There is no automatic NCAA bid for winning the Ivy League hockey title, but the winner still gets bragging rights.
And don't think that this idea is inconsistent with Jim Delaney's public statement on the issue. Remember that Delaney said that the presumption is that there will be a Big Ten Championship in the future. That does not necessarily mean the same thing as a full conference with an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. As long as the Big Ten awards a shiny trophy in the end and allows the winner to hang a nice banner from the rafters, it could be considered a championship. In fact, having the Big Ten use an Ivy League-type setup could result in more bids to the NCAA's over the long run, since there will be fewer games for the Big Ten schools to beat each up over.
In terms of who benefits from this arrangement, the smaller schools in the CCHA and WCHA are at the top of the list. Although I'm sure these schools would rather not have their conference schedules reduced--and as a result have fewer visits on average by the larger schools--their place in college hockey doesn't change a whole lot under this system. They maintain the stability of an established conference, they continue to get some marquee games at home against Big Ten teams, and the relative gravy train of the WCHA and CCHA conference tournaments continues.
Additionally, if the WCHA and CCHA conferences cooperate on scheduling and television (and given the alternative of Scenario 1, it's clearly in their interest to do so), the Big Ten Network gets its regular hockey programming. Assuming that every intra-Big Ten matchup is a two game weekend series, you could have up to twelve weekends of regular season Big Ten hockey--enough for Friday Night Hockey from Thanksgiving through the beginning of March Madness (assuming a week off for Christmas or New Year's).
Now who doesn't like this? I would assume that Penn State--with no recent Division 1 tradition--would prefer a full Big Ten conference so that there are more games with "name" schools to sell to its student body. Additionally, Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez has made a several comments which have been interpreted as wanting more of a "real" Big Ten Hockey Conference. Finally, although not having fully tipped his hand yet, Mr. Delaney and the rest of the Big Ten higher-ups may be not want any half-measures at this point, instead hoping for more games on the Big Ten Network and possibly a lucrative conference tournament, say in Chicago, where you can't walking into a Starbucks without bumping into three Michigan, Wisconsin or Minnesota alums waiting to buy their frappachino from a Sparta...nah, too easy!
Some other Scenarios: These range from "Might look good on paper, but likely won't fly" to "what are you smoking" to "What did you smoke after you drank the ethanol"
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The Small School Fantasy - Penn State Joins the CCHA...and Nothing Else. Penn State simply becomes the twelth member of the CCHA, and not much else changes. The Nittany Lions will almost certainly try to schedule nonconference matchups with Minnesota and Wisconsin, but there is no official round robin schedule among the Big Ten teams, and no shiny trophy with the Big Ten logo on it. Since virtually every relevant source (i.e., every non-blogger/USCHO/insidecollegehockey.com poster) is already implying that some form of a Big Ten championship is on the way, this one probably isn't going anywhere.
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The Eastern Fantasy - Penn State gives the West the finger and decides that it belongs in the East. Yeah, and have fun explaining to your student body why you're playing Merrimack instead of Ohio State.
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The Kumbaya Fantasy - The BTHC forms, but keeps and interlocking schedule with the CCHA and WCHA. This is actually fairly plausible. Under this idea, there would be some regimented order to how many games each Big Ten school plays against the CCHA and WCHA, with designated home and away series, some rotating format, etc. This idea has a lot of merit from the perspective helping out the smaller schools, but I have a feeling that you won't see something this complex. If a BTHC forms, I'd expect each school to make its own non-conference arrangements, and we'll just have to hope for the best.
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The Big Ten Expansion Fantasy - The BTHC invites Notre Dame. I'll never say never, but I put this one up there with "Kentucky in BCS Title Game" speculation. Let's put it this in a very non-PC way. The Big Ten and Notre Dame are to college sports what India and Pakistan are to Kashmir. One feels the other out every few years, they both puff out their chests, and then walk away, satisfied that they've proven to the world how important they are. Under this neverending dance, it's obvious that the Big Ten needs as much leverage as possible if it's ever going to win. Although hockey is never going to decide the issue of football conference affiliation, it's clear that the, Irish with their new non-high school gym of an arena (and that's being generous to their current digs), would need the BTHC a lot more than the other way around. Therefore, if I'm Jim Delaney, I enjoy watching Notre Dame keep the plastic on 2,500 of the 4,000 seats in its new arena while the Irish play a bunch of schools that nobody in its student body can find on a map, much less have an interest in. Then, when it's time to play BCS musical chairs again, the Irish adminstration has one more little thing to think about. Letting Notre Dame into the BTHC is just throwing this chip away. (And this doesn't even touch upon that the BIG TEN DOES NOT HAVE ONE SPORT MEMBERS).
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The Cloverfield Fantasy - The BTHC becomes a hockey superconference, with Notre Dame and hockey powers North Dakota, Denver, and Colorado College coming a long for the ride. And then the fans of these schools woke up and came back to reality.
So, which one will it be? My brain tells me that Scenario 2 has the fewest negatives for all of the interested parties. The Big Ten gets its conference schedule and its desired BTN programming, Penn State gets its marquee matchups to interest its new fanbase, the existing Big Ten Hockey schools get to maintain their rivalries while not overly cannibalizing each other (and costing themselves NCAA bids as a result), and the smaller WCHA and CCHA schools continue to get the prime draws and conference tournament revenue that they need to survive. However, my gut tells me that this is not what will ultimately happen. I have a bad feeling that the non-hockey types are going to eventually prevail in this fight, especially with some of the traditional old guard (e.g., Ron Mason, Red Berenson) either already out the door or getting pretty close to it. With today's difficult economic times and the need to have as many self-sustaining programs as possible, I just can't believe that Big Ten conference and many of its member schools will be willing to go halfway for the good of the sport.
In Part 3 of this column, I'll look into the crystal ball and look at what I believe to be a is very plausible scenario for the CCHA, WCHA, Big Ten and Division 1 college hockey over the next decade or so.
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This is my favorite part:
a new Big Ten Hockey Conference (BTHC) forms with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio and Penn State. Jim Delaney did nothing but fan the flames of this possibility, with the statement.
Haha! Screw you, Buckeyes! Go Bobcats!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Is there a possible good domino effect to the BTHC?
Suppose the BTHC becomes a full blown reality. While some smaller schools may fold, is there a flip side to this scenario? Could this lead to Illinois, Purdue, Iowa, or other Big Ten schools opting to enter D-1? Would Nebraska-Omaha fold, only to be replaced by Nebraska-Lincoln?
Furthering the speculation, could that lead to Big East expansion? Syracuse and Pitt fielding a teams would more than net out a loss of some smaller schools.
Personally, I would have to think that the possibility of more Big Ten schools starting up programs would be better for the sport in the long run, than losing Bemidji State. Also, from a recruiting standpoint, I would think the damage due to loss of NCAA bids would be more than offset by extra exposure of a meaningful regular season shown on the BTN. I would think that a true BTHC would be the premier choice for good atheletes hoping to get to the NHL.
by David Mieczkowski on Sep 22, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
Doubt it
Penn State has a perfect storm and that’s why they are getting a team: great staff on the best club team in the country, random donor who happen to have $88M for a rink, two NHL teams in the state, a large number of people from Buffalo, NYC and NJ (all with NHL teams), a big student body, and the tipping point for 5 other schools who want to cash in on BTN money but can’t because they need a sixth member.
So I do think we’ll eventually see Indy or Illinois, but not until they get someone to pony up the $100M startup. As for Big East schools, I doubt very much there’s any action there.
You need $100M to start a program?
Are you saying Colgate, Canisius, and Western Michigan all had to pony up $100M to field a D1 team? Somehow, I doubt it. There a few schools that should have D1 teams, which have AHL or ECHL teams nearby. I doubt they couldn’t find a way to rent those facilities for marque matchups. Teams I think could easily field a D1 team without spending $100M.
1. Syracuse. It has a big student body, has 3 NHL teams in the state, and an AHL team in town. There’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to start a D1 team.
2. Northwestern. It’s practically in Chicago for pete sake. It could easily rent the nearby Allstate arena. There’s more than enough student body and nearby alumni base to support games.
3. Purdue and Illinois. Both are close enough to major cities where they could rent facilities even if they don’t have on-campus, and big alumni bases who are Hockey crazy.
4. Half the now PAC-12. Utah, Colorado, UCLA, Cal, USC, Arizona State.
Any one of those would more than make up for the loss of the likes of Canisius, I would think.
by David Mieczkowski on Sep 23, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Has more to do with the cost of financing a rink
the Big Ten member schools would most likely have to pony up that much to build new arenas. The smaller schools, not so much. It’s more a requirement of putting up a respectable, brand new facility for the Big Ten than it is a “start a program requirement”.
Penn State is putting up a hockey only arena (at least I think they are) and starting a program from scratch, so the costs are pretty high. Plus, it’s no where near evanston. DePaul uses all-state for its basketball games and the turnout is awful, not to mention it’s expensive shuttling kids too and from that hell hole. If you’re starting a program, do it right and have your own, on-campus rink. It really doesn’t work otherwise. As for Purdue, no. That is not a hockey school, there are no rinks even remotely suitable for D1 hockey anywhere near campus, and we’re not just talking about games, we’re talking about practice day in day out. Training. Getting too and from campus. If you’re on a bus or in a car for an hour and half each day just to PRACTICE, your program is doomed. Unless there’s a place to play and practice every day, it’s not going to happen.
Re: Northwestern hockey – No. All State is abysmal. No one should EVER play there. The site lines are horrid and the ice is awful. I think Northwestern’s a good candidate for another program, but I don’t the administration wants to go that direction.
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Sep 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll grant you Purdue, but Northwestern is a no-brainer.
The allstate arena may not be a stellar hockey venue from a purist point of view, but it has the most important thing going for it. It is literally surrounded by thousands of affluent hocky loving Big Ten alumni. Every home game against another Big Ten school would sell out the place.There’s simply no comparison with DePaul.
Also, I wonder how much it would cost to retrofit the basketball arenas to be dual use. The United center hosts both Bulls and BlackHawks games, after all.
by David Mieczkowski on Sep 23, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Northwestern is... sorta
The reason I bring up DePaul is just for the transportation issue. All State is a hole. And it’s a hole no where near Evanston. It’s an awful place to watch a hockey game and it’s far to big for a program that’s just starting up to fill. The lease/ice rights would be expensive as hell b/c of the Chicago Wolves AHL team using it, DePaul basketball, and all the concerts. It’s just not a viable option either in terms of location or availability or practicality.
I’ve got some experience with rinks and retro fitting old barns that don’t already have the in ground cooling coils is a nightmare. The United center was planned as a dual use facility from the start, but trying to turn Evanston’s field house into a hockey rink would be prohibitively expensive. It’d be cheaper to tear the place down and start over (think about insulation, power supply, storage (hardwood for roundball), demolition and reconstruction of the existing concrete floor and surrounding concrete structures [and all the inground piping and wiring]). It’s not an option to retrofit because of the amount of material, type of material, work that has to be done, and cost.
You also have to remember that UIC had a CCHA team on the near south side in a rink I used to play at. All those hockey loving fans never set foot in the building and UIC shut the program down. Sure Evanston’s a better location with more hockey savvy affluent fans, but the start up cost for TWO hockey programs (men’s and womens – Remember Title IX) along with building a new dual use facility for a crappy pair of basketball teams and two likely crappy hockey teams (the first ten years would be brutal) doesn’t make financial sense unless they’ve got a model in place that I haven’t seen yet. I’d love to have NU hockey, just so I could see Michigan twice a year in my back yard, but it’s a pipe-dream at this point.
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by Maize n Brew Dave on Sep 23, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, you need $88-$100MM to start a program.
You need a rink. Even if you rent, you’re paying a major premium to rent ice and a locker room. Over the live of Penn State’s new rink (probably 30-50 years), a renter is going to probably end up with a higher average cost because of this. So you might not need the cash up front, but if you’re an AD looking at starting a program, the total cost of a long-term commitment doesn’t go down when you rent.
You also have 40 scholarships to fund with constantly increasing tuition costs. The ADs have to pay the value of the scholarships into the general find, it’s not just a waived cost for the lucky ones.
And then the more important thing here: if you rent you’re off campus, if you’re off campus it’s going to be harder to sustain the program through ticket sales. And even if you’re on campus, how sure are you a school like Purdue has enough hockey fans to draw 4-5k a night? Just because you’re in a big city doesn’t mean it will happen. Northwestern is in Chicago like you mentioned, a football city, and we all know how well they draw. Purdue and Illinois are not going to get by with a rink 45 mins away.
As for the smaller schools you mentioned: they are located in hockey-culture areas and, more importantly, are heavily subsidized by guaranteed games with the big boys. That’s why this BTHC is such a big deal: if you pull the guaranteed sellouts the small schools get from playing UMinn, MSU, ect, there’s a very real chance the programs would fold.
Let's go option 2!!!!!
I’m a PSU alum and ecstatic about the news, however I am a SCSU fan (grew up in St. Cloud playing my youth games on their game sheet).
That makes the most sense, at least in the foreseeable future. I don’t see how it is in the B10’s interest to damage 2 of the 3 biggest/best/richest conferences in their new found sport. The fact that most of the teams playing D1 hockey are smaller (usually Division II and III) schools “playing up” to Division 1, requires a re-framing of this past summers expansion/quest for world domination talk. If the B10 goes full boar and tries to dominate the landscape there’s no doubt they will. Then what? Growing the conference is good in football because the SEC, PAC-10, Big East, ACC and B12 aren’t going away. That is not guaranteed in hockey. There has been a lot of turnover in the past decade or so of programs naturally in the smaller schools ranks.
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
I think you could add another option, however unlikely. That is the top hockey programs in the west, in an incredibly unselfish and altruistic moment decide to tackle this problem in a unique way: The top 9 program brands: 6 big ten schools, ND, UND, and say Denver for lack of a ninth, decide to break up the WCHA and CCHA into three conferences with 8 or 9 teams each and 3 brand powers in each (2 big ten schools in each).
This leads to 3 leagues, the UW/MN conference, UM/MSU conference, and the PSU/OSU conference. Each big ten school would schedule 4 non conference series with other big ten schools (8 games), play each conference opponent twice (14 games). All teams would play three non conference series with members of the other two conferences (12 games) = 34 games. conference games between big ten schools would be for conference and big ten conference. Balanced, lots of room to expand, etc.
Hockey Attendance
I know this is a Michigan site, but there is a reason Minnesota, and to a lesser extent Wisconsin are less enamored with a Big Ten Hockey Conference. The WCHA had 7 of the top 9 average attendances in the nation each of the last two years. Michigan doesn’t even have half the attendance of Wisconsin and is about 70% of Minnesota. I think this poster had it exactly backwards in saying who would be helped in attendance.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_icehockey_rb/2009/MIH%20attendance.pdf
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_icehockey_rb/2010/2009attend.pdf
You are correct in that UW and Minny outdrew the Big Ten members who are in the CCHA.
UW plays in the Kohl center, a basketball arena which seats 15,237 for hockey as I’m sure you are aware.
Minnesota plays in the Mariucci Center a hockey only facility seating 10,000.
MSU and UM play in hockey only arenas with capacities of 6,407 and 6,637 respectively.
These four programs (UW, Minn, MSU, UM) were at average capacities of 93, 99, 86, and 99.7% in 2008. It was 90, 100, 85 and 102% in 2009. MSU could use the bump a BTHC would bring to attendance, probably topping 90% consistently. The others need no such help.
OSU is, without a doubt, the special needs child and would benefit greatly from a 20 game BTHC. In 2008 and 2009 they averaged a paltry 24% of capacity in their ginormous 17,500 seat arena. Still, the 4,200 fans on average watching an OSU hockey game was better than 42 other schools that play DI hockey and good for 17th overall.
Please, Please, Please....Pretty Please!!!!
Therefore, if I’m Jim Delaney, I enjoy watching Notre Dame keep the plastic on 2,500 of the 4,000 seats in its new arena while the Irish play a bunch of schools that nobody in its student body can find on a map, much less have an interest in.
Fuck the Irish.

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