Well, Have you had enough of Rich Rod now?

Brutal Game

There is no way to put a positive spin on this game. Michigan was completely out-coached and outplayed in every aspect of the game. I like Rich Rodriguez as a coach and think that he’s a good man, but unfortunately he just can’t and won’t get the job done in Ann Arbor. If we had lost a close game today, I would be comfortable with him getting another season and another defensive coordinator to prove himself. After today however, it’s time to make a change at the head coach position.

It’ll be interesting to see if Jim Harbaugh comes back to Ann Arbor or if Michigan has to go to Brady Hoke or another plan B type option. Hopefully the entire Michigan fan base rallies around the next coach, no matter who it is, and supports him 100%. A very vocal faction has hated Coach Rodriguez since he arrived and stirred up rumors that he was on his way out. These rumors certainly didn’t help our recruiting efforts. I’m not saying that these rumors are the reason that Michigan has struggled the past three seasons, but they weren’t helpful to the program that these fans supposedly love and support.

by BSU_Alum07 on Jan 1, 2011 11:17 PM CST reply actions

I could not agree more....

Ever since we lost to Sparty, I knew we were in for another sub-par season. It was then I was convinced that RR was gimmicky and we should start thinking about a new coach. I told my wife “Uh Oh! This is going to get bad quick, just like last year,” and sure as crap, it turned out that way. After the OSU game, I wanted him thrown to the Creeping Horak from He-Man. After today, I wish him the best of luck….JUST GET OUT OF ANN ARBOR! Don’t wait to get fired; just quit like you and the Wolves did today starting in the 2nd quarter. Go do some of the “coaching” elsewhere. Maybe in another three years, we’ll be a decent team again with a defense that doesn’t blow and an offense that can be consistent and play as a team. Oh: maybe we’ll make more than 4 field goals in a season too!

Don’t let the door hit you on your butt on your way out there, big guy! Looking forward to a significant change in the off-season…..hopefully within a week or two.

by crazydaz on Jan 1, 2011 11:33 PM CST reply actions

Disappointing but expected

The season went into tailspin mode as soon as Michigan State pounded us in Ann Arbor and things never improved. I thought the one chance to salvage the season would’ve been the game against a mediocre Penn State squad but that one was more lopsided than the score indicated. Consequently, I was not expecting a victory over Mississippi State but I thought the game would’ve been more competitive. Clearly, we would have been better off playing in a pre-New Year’s Day bowl game where the opponent would’ve been more manageable.

What I find difficult to understand is how Rich Rod had success elsewhere while his tenure in Ann Arbor was a disaster. His WVU teams were much, much better than any squad he has fielded thus far at Michigan. Whatever the reason, the Rich Rod era must come to an end as he seemingly sets one dubious record after another (worst season record, most points given up in a season, worst bowl loss etc.) . Even the offense was not good yesterday and that was RR’s one strong point. If there is progress being made, the pace is glacial. At this point, I don’t the argument that bringing in a new coach will set us back is valid. Hopefully, Brandon can convince Harbaugh to jump ship but if not, there have to be other qualified coaches out there who better understand what it takes to win games in the Big Ten.

by Collegeville on Jan 2, 2011 8:30 AM CST reply actions

Sad is it not?

What I find difficult to understand is how Rich Rod had success elsewhere while his tenure in Ann Arbor was a disaster

I do, he coached in the big east!!!

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by Darth Prophet on Jan 3, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions

Enough!! (directed at the poster)

While I agree Rich Rod is not the answer, I have to believe that you were one of those people who were against him before he ever set foot on campus. Not one of your posts have ever offered any constructive criticisms or critiques, you more or less just say.. Rich Rod Sucks Fire Him, every time you post.
I get this bowl game was an embarrassment for the university, the alumni and the fan base. But something tells me if the score were flip flopped and the Wolverines had won 52-14 you would be arguing that MSU wasn’t a great team and it doesn’t prove anything.
Has this been a terrible 3 hear run? Yes!
Who would you have fired instead of RR though?
How did Bill Martin contribute to this mess?
How did Lloyd Carr contribute to this mess? (and I’m not talking about leaving the “cupboard bare”
Was it ultimately on Rich Rod, yes, but he came into a rigged game and for whatever reason half of the U of M fan base either won’t admit that or completely ignore it.

by Lostincali on Jan 2, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions

Why a good coach?

Over and over and over people write that RichRod is “a good coach and a good man.” As for whether he is a good man, I have no basis to make a judgment. As for good coach, what I have seen over the last three years demonstrates that he most certainly is not a good coach. The team is a train wreck and the fact that few third, fourth or fifth year program player is improved is an indictment. Of the veterans, only the offensive linemen, Schilling and Molk seem to have a clue. For all people say about Mike Martin being a “stud” he has not played like I used to see linemen like Grambau, Gallagher, Greer, Messner, Hutchinson (Chris), or Branch play. I think 2008 burned him out and destroyed what little ability he had to teach. Even a WVU he was notorious for constantly berating players for the smallest things, which is OK if he later bucks them up a little, but disaster if he doesn’t.

by Jim48043 on Jan 2, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions

Good coaches fail all the time

Just because a coach is struggling at his current job doesn’t mean that he’s not a good coach. There are plenty of coaches that have had success at every school they worked at, failed at a school, and became successful again once they got another chance. Will Rich Rodriguez be a head coach again soon? I think so, he’ll probably have to take a Big East, WAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC job but I think that he’ll be successful wherever he ends up. It’s too bad that things didn’t work out here, Rodriguez is young enough that an entire generation of Michigan fans would have never known another Michigan head coach.

by BSU_Alum07 on Jan 2, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions

I agree, however...

I agree with your point that failing one place doesn’t necessarily mean that a coach is bad. However, it’s not only that RR is failing, it’s HOW he’s failing. Besides the off the field issues, which were completely new to Michigan, the team just doesn’t seem prepared at times, especially at Defense.

RR had about a month to prepare for the bowl game, why is it that players were having trouble lining up correctly on Defense? 10 men on the field near the goal line? These are problems that are more common at the high school level than from a “Good Coach”.

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions

I see your point, but

I agree that the defense was an embarrassment in the Gator Bowl and based on the season and the bowl game, Greg Robinson should never be hired as even a positional coach again in either the NFL or college. I think that Rich Rodriguez is a coach that prefers to focus on the offense, since that’s his strong point as a coach and prefers to give basic guidance to the defensive coordinator and otherwise stay hands off. I don’t know about his defense at Glenville St., but West Virginia had a good defense and most importantly a good coordinator for most of his tenure there. Perhaps if we had stuck with Scott Shafer for more than a season or had hired anyone but Greg Robinson, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.

by BSU_Alum07 on Jan 2, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions

I agree with everything that you've said...

…for the most part. I’m not sure about Shafer, and I’d like to point out that West Virginia’s opponents are a lot different than Michigan’s. 3-3-5 vs Wisconsin? for example.

Yes, Greg Robinson is horrendous and Rich Rod would do better w/ another coach. But I think it’s also important to hold Rich Rod accountable for hiring Robinson. When RR was hired he was given the opportunity to have a staff built from whomever he wanted. It was his decision to let Ron English go, bring in Scott Shafer, and eventually to bring in Greg Robinson.

I would also like to point out that Special Teams shows similar signs of unpreparedness so it’s not just Greg Robinson. Fault can also be put on the Special Teams coach and recruiting coordinator for not bringing in an adequate kicker by year 3.

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions

"Go blue and I truly can mean it again"

That right there proves that you are no true fan. I have my share of problems with Rich Rod, but I have never, ever, ever rooted against him or Michigan.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Jan 2, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

This is one of my problems with the anti-Rich Rod crowd.. if you’re rooting for him to fail, you’re rooting for Michigan to fail.. how can you be a fan and root for the team to fail.

by Lostincali on Jan 2, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions

I can't speak for the poster

But I’ve never rooted for Michigan to fail!! ever .. I supported RR way back to the beginning, but not this year, I still rooted in every game, I still took time away from vacation travel to watch Michigan’s game..
The truth however has hit me right in the face.. That truth is simply put as a head coach you are the boss the buck stops at your desk, if in 3 years you cannot put a competitive product on the field you failed it’s that simple it’s time for new leadership.
I have no doubt in a lessor conference RR will excel again just not this one nor the sec..

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by Darth Prophet on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

I Feel Your Pain

As a forty year fan of the Crimson Tide I feel the pain you all are experiencing that love Mich. When we had Shula as coach I never quit pulling for the Tide even when the writing was on the wall. I was in favor of giving Shula “one more year” knowing that would only prolong the agony of change. After all Shula was a Bama man, not to mention the son of an NFL legend, but I realized that another year would only put us another year later on a new beginning. On a side note I am so glad RR got off the plane before it left the runway or we would be having this conversation instead of Mich. Good luck on your future and better days will be ahead for the Michigan family.

by bornbama1 on Jan 3, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions

Jim Harbaugh

I agree with the previous post by tanman5. That being said, I do not think we can just fire rich rod without having Jim Harbaugh ready to sign a contract to be our next head coach. If Harbaugh decides to stay at Stanford or leave for the NFL I think Brandon needs to think about keeping richrod. We cannot just fire rich without having a legitimate head coach already committed to coming or we may end up with another 3-4 years like the last 3. Overall, you cannot deny rich rod is a good coach but his system just does not work here and that is why Jim Harbaugh better get his ass here!!!

by tgrafer on Jan 2, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions

Yeah

I still think Harbaugh or Rich Rod. No matter what, though, they should try to get Randy Shannon at DC.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Jan 2, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions

Better to be a dumb fan than a smart hater.

“Go Blue and I truly can meant it again!”

While I’ve been anti-RR for over a year now, I am extremely disappointed with this sentence posted by Chicago Wolverine. It seems to me that Chicago Wolverine wanted more to be correct about RR’s failings, than for Michigan to succeed.

I think a true Michigan fan would rather Michigan succeed and be wrong about Rich Rod than see Michigan fail and be correct. Rich Rodriguez’s imminent firing should be viewed as our collective failure as a program, not something we should be boastful about.

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 7:20 PM CST reply actions

I didn't read it that way....

I have also been “anti” Rich Rod ever since the Penn St. game. I believe as a fan, you are allowed to dislike the coach and want a change at that level, and not be considered “anti-Michigan.” It’s been another long and frustrating season. I wasn’t “rooting” for the team to fail or hoping RR would fail. But I could see that this was not going to be a good year again, and after three poor seasons, I feel (as a fan and graduate) that I have every right to vent and want to see a change made without being called a “fair-weather fan” or a “Michigan hater.” Sorry folks; I’m a realist, and after three years, I no longer had it in me to trick myself into believing “hey, maybe this year we’ll beat Ohio State even though we’ve been getting creamed by good teams over the last six weeks while barely beating Illinois in some ‘Twilight Zone’-like street ball.” Didn’t fit my logical thinking. It wasn’t to say that I hoped they would lose; I just didn’t think that they would pull it off, and hence, they need a new coach. Three years is enough to become competitive.

I think that ChicagoWolverine is simply saying that. You can be “pro-Michigan” and “anti-Rich Rod” if you are a fan. You can’t if you are playing on the football team.

by crazydaz on Jan 2, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions

Ok

I agree that you can be pro-michigan and anti-Rich Rod.

I myself consider myself to be pro-michigan and anti-rich rod, since the MSU game to be more precise.

My point is in regards to the last sentence where he says that he can finally say “go blue” again.
Doesn’t this make it sound like he was rooting against Michigan before hand, perhaps so that his viewpoint would be shown to be correct?

My point is that regardless of who is in place as coach, saying “go blue” should never be a problem if you consider yourself a michigan fan.

I don’t think YOU ever had a problem saying “go blue”, did you? In no way am I saying that someone as yourself, or me, who is anti Richrod, is necessarily a “fair weather fan” or “Michigan hater”

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions

But he wasn't pro-Michigan

He said that he couldn’t put his heart into rooting for Michigan because Rich Rod was the coach.
aka he wasn’t supporting Michigan.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Jan 2, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, Huzilla, Keep being a Dumb Fan

I know it hurts to realize that you were wrong about RR. You can cast around trying to blame everyone else, but the fact that the guy has been and is a horrible Michigan coach. I know, I know, it must be the fans with their “negative vibes” that caused all the losses. It must have been the “haters” that brought NCAA violations into the program. That lack of fan support when Michigan bought last year’s Delaware State game so RR could add a win must have brought a tear to your eye.
http://deadspin.com/5254536/delaware-state-forfeits-conference-game-so-they-can-beat-michigan-instead
You are truly what you claim to be: A Dumb Fan

I am a Michigan Fan. I am smarter than you.
I don’t want RR to limp through more years and continue to damage UM football.
He is taking the program in the wrong direction. A smart fan recognizes when this is happening, take notes.
I saw the program go in the wrong direction as soon as they hired RR. Many coaches are skilled enough to coach the players they have as they learn the traditions and strengths of the program they are entrusted with, not RR.

He came in and dismantled the strength program. Players were too big and fat for him. The spread offense is everything. Players he wanted were small and fast. No more Pro-style quarterbacks. Now there are 2 former Michigan big pro-style quarterbacks starting in other conferences. You see Denard playing in the pros? Not as a quarterback.

So the basic fact is that he can’t coach a Pro-style offense. Because of that, Pro prospects will not come through Michigan as long as RR is coaching unless it is on defense (Did I just say that…RR and defense in the same sentence? ). Even O-linemen aren’t beating down the door to get in, take a look at the recruiting situation from his last 3 years. The old “cupboard is bare” excuse he has been using for 3 years is still valid.

Now his players do like him. If you were a 2 star player and Michigan gave you a scholarship, you’d like it. Now you can run fast all over the place and get your butt kicked by Big Ten teams. The coach gave them a chance. They owe him.

RR needs to go. His performance was pitiful. He has made UM the laughing stock of the football world. He did it, not the media, not the fans. Don’t be a dummy. Punch this guy’s ticket and be a RR fan at Maryland or else learn how to be a fan of the Michigan Football Program.

by LongtimeBlue on Jan 2, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Well if you actually read my post...

You could see in my first sentence that I’m anti RR….

At least I can READ. Who’s dumb now?

I agree with everything you said. My point isn’t at all about football. I thing RR was a terrible choice. My point is that you should be able to say “go blue” and mean it, even if you don’t think we have the right coach in place.

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

Longtime Blue...

If your reading skills have now improved, see my response to crazydaz, for a better portrayal of the point I was trying to make.

I really hope you are just a fan, and not also a student.

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions

Huzilla

“Better to be a dumb fan…” was the start of your post, I was just agreeing with you.
Maybe you should learn how to read the big, bold, black words at the top of your own posts.

Ask somebody to read this to you:
The time warp you are in seems to be an interesting one. You have been anti-RR for a year now or was that since the MSU game? Taking you a while to figure out how you can get off the band wagon? Point the finger at those “unloyal fans”

Michigan is bigger than him. He is bringing down the program. In order to get him removed, the football team will have to have a sub-par performance. Sorry, that is the way it is. It exposes the lousy coaches.
Some of us see the pain that needs to be there in order for the program to be righted.
I sure do. It hurts. I feel for the players.
And then people like you casting stones as to who is a true fan, like you know.

You said you agreed with everything in my Post?

So now your position is “I am Anti RichRod because he is bringing down the program..I sure hope he wins so he can continue to do the same thing.” ?

I understand the attitude that ChicagoWolverine has. He lives and breathes Michigan and has seen the football program undermined at both the performance and the integrity level.
No less a fan then you because he wants the carnage to cease. Let up on him because he can’t say “Go Blue” when the football team plays. I’m sure he says “Go Blue” when he sees the big “M” for the University of Michigan and I’m sure he gets the big picture.

So go ahead and cling to your wishy-washy “I always have supported Michigan no matter what”

And I hope you aren’t in a job where you have to make any decisions or take a position on anything.

by LongtimeBlue on Jan 3, 2011 1:48 AM CST up reply actions

SIGH

Longtime Blue, I really don’t think you read my post at all. You suggested that I a believe Rich Rod should be retained. Clearly this is not true.

Here’s what I don’t think you understand.

1. Just because I was initially against Rich Rod’s hiring, doesn’t mean I didn’t think he would eventually succeed.

When we first hired him, I thought it was a mistake because I was happy with the way Michigan was. I didn’t think, as other people did, that we had to drastically change to compete for Big Ten titles and be one of the best programs. I thought it was pointless to go through the rebuilding process when I was happy with the pro-style offense we already had. However, once RR was hired, I believed that he could one day bring Michigan to a level similar to where it had been before.

I believed this until the MSU game this year. There was no band wagon jumping or “time machines” as you suggested. Things are not as black and white, as you suggest they are.

2. Just because I believed that he was the wrong hire, that doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for Michigan.

Did you think Michigan would beat OSU this year? I didn’t. But does that mean I rooted against Michigan? NO. Similarly, you should hope Michigan wins every fucking game, regardless of who’s the coach. It seems to me that Chicago Blue is a little to ecstatic about Michigan’s loss. As I said earlier, if, and pretty much when, Rich Rod does leave, there should not be a feeling of happiness but a feeling of regret that we couldn’t get the job done.

This is what I believe:

1. People will analyze the Rich Rod case in different ways. It’s still possible to be a true fan of Michigan and still believe in Rich Rod. You and I are not like these possible. But it’s still possible to hope for the best in Michigan and still think Rich Rod should be retained.

2. However, it’s not possible to be a true fan of Michigan and not root for Michigan. If you wanted Michigan to lose, then shame on you. If ChicagoWolverine “lives and breathes Michigan” as you suggest, should it be difficult to say “go blue”? I don’t think it is.

I get it, things are tough for people who don’t believe that Rich Rod should have been hired, but that doesn’t mean you should EVER root against Michigan. Sure, I don’t think Rich Rod will succeed, but if we do keep him, I hope and pray that Michigan goes undefeated and wins the National Championship. That’s the ultimate goal.

So GO BLUE, whoever the coach is. I don’t care if Matt Millen’s the coach of the Wolverines, I’ll root for them anyway. That’s my point.

by Huzilla on Jan 3, 2011 2:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

To summarize...

My position for the past year has been this:

"I am Anti RichRod because I think he is bringing down the program and that we will not get closer to where we want to be (a national championship) with him as the head coach. However, I hope to God that I’m as wrong as anal sex with a horse and that Rich Rod leads us to an undefeated season. Go Blue."

by Huzilla on Jan 3, 2011 2:58 AM CST up reply actions

To continue

“…and shame on people who would rather see Michigan fail than be wrong about Rich Rod. I’d rather see Michigan win than be correct in my assessment of him.”

by Huzilla on Jan 3, 2011 2:59 AM CST up reply actions

Actually

>>Even O-linemen aren’t beating down the door to get in, take a look at the recruiting situation from his last 3 years.<<

Actually the O-Line recruiting is going pretty good. Taylor Lewan and MIchael Schofield were both 4 star prospects coming out of high school and Lewan is someone I can definitely see playing in the pros with 2-3 more years. This year’s recruiting class has 3 verbal commits from offensive lineman (with in-state recruit Jake Fisher being considered 4 stars by Scout) and with a pretty good chance at Illinois 4-star guard Chris Bryant. The O-Line is one of the few things RR hasn’t screwed up (and the verbal commits for the secondary are pretty promising, and Courtney Avery will eventually be a good one).

by Mister Gloom on Jan 4, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions

curious as to who everyone thinks should replace him???

by Colton Cook on Jan 2, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions

Short list

Harbaugh
Chris Pettersen

Harbaugh is my #1 only because I would cry if coach Pete was every to leave me second beloved team Boise State.
But if push came to shove I would want Coach Pete at Michigan.

Do not tell anyone at obnug this they would have me head.

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Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on Jan 3, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions

The main candidates...

… in my humble opinion are:

1. Harbaugh
2. Miles
3. Hoke
4. Urban Meyer (clearly a long shot at this point)

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 10:17 PM CST reply actions

Don't want Les MIles

and he wouldn’t come here any way.
1 and 3 are the only legitimate candidates on that list, and to me I would only go with 1. Harbaugh runs such a diverse offense at Stanford that he would be able to tailor it to our strengths.

What about Mike Belotti?

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Jan 2, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions

Sure

I think Miles would consider it. LSU is a weaker program now, and the fanbase is not so supporting of him.

I do like your suggestion of Belotti. I think football-wise that’s a great idea. Do you think he would want to come here? Also, I’m not so familiar with his reasons for resigning from the HC job at Oregon. I understand he was the AD, but why did he resign?

by Huzilla on Jan 2, 2011 11:22 PM CST reply actions

so you would take

miles who is basically ruining a program that nick saban built, and doesn’t have any competition to recuit instate with. Chris peterson who his predessor Dan Hawkins was terrible and i wonder about at a big time program with bigger expectations. Urban meyer who most people believe is just a salesman and doesn’t have a clue how to coach. and Jim Harbaugh who could easy go to the NFL and is basically the same as RR was when he came into Michigan. If you take away Andrew Luck the past three years wouldn’t be that great. Stick with Rich Rod for two more years and give him the full 5 years every coach deserves unless of course he gets hit with major sanctions.

by Colton Cook on Jan 3, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions

I’m not huge on Miles, but he has won with his own players at this point. He isn’t making his living off of Saban’s effort at this point. I think he would be a step up from Rich Rodriguez at this point.

Chris Petersen is a gamble, coaching at in a WAC school and only really having to prep you team for 1-2 big games each year is different than doing for an entire season.

Urban Meyer, who I really don’t like, won two national Championships while playing in a highly competitive conference, I think he ranks higher than just a salesman.

And while I am not completely sold on Harbaugh, he won 11 games with Luck, Rich Rod barely won 7 with Robinson/Forcier.. how many would he have won without them?

I know your response was meant for somebody else, but I just wanted to chime in.. sorry…

by Lostincali on Jan 3, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions

Hi Colton

I’m not sure if you were replying to me or not. My post listing off those 4 coaches wasn’t my personal opinions on who SHOULD replace Rich Rod, I was listing off coaches who have been mentioned by ESPN and other message boards similar to this. At this point, you could also add other coaches like Ron English, Chris Peterson, and such.

Two differences that between Harbaugh now and RR then:

1. While Harbaugh currently runs a different offensive scheme than the one employed @ Michigan, he has shown that he is more flexible than Rich Rod in moving towards a pro style offense.

2. Defensively, Harbaugh’s defense competes in the Pac-10, which has some pretty good offenses. Considering that I believe that Oregon and and USC have good offenses, I am less worried about our defense declining.

As for, the other coaches, I think Lostincali, does a good job of stating my beliefs. In regards to Urban Meyer, he has shown the ability to run a spread offense (which is good for our current players) while still building a physical defense that will be needed to beat the Wisconsins, Nebraskas and OSU’s of our league. Obviously, he has other off the field issues, but football wise I think he does a good job of representing the type of coach we need.

by Huzilla on Jan 3, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions

My take on RR. (I know you've all be dying for it)

He’s a coach with a system. He’s not a coach that looks at what he’s got and attempts to get the best out of it. To implement his system he had to completely destroy the current program to rebuild it as he wanted. The problem is that 1. Michigan didn’t need to be torn down and rebuilt and 2. the program was never going to put up with the crappy football that was displayed while things were being rebuilt.

"There wasn't a man voting for it that didn't think that under a setup of this kind he'd muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself...But while he was thinking that he'd get unearned benefits from the men above he forgot about the men below who'd get unearned benefits too. He forgot about all his inferiors that would rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors...That was our real motive when we voted. That was the truth of it. But we didn't like to think it. So the less we liked it the louder we yelled about our love for the common good."

by jrobb20 on Jan 4, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions

be=been

"There wasn't a man voting for it that didn't think that under a setup of this kind he'd muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself...But while he was thinking that he'd get unearned benefits from the men above he forgot about the men below who'd get unearned benefits too. He forgot about all his inferiors that would rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors...That was our real motive when we voted. That was the truth of it. But we didn't like to think it. So the less we liked it the louder we yelled about our love for the common good."

by jrobb20 on Jan 4, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions