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Michael Rosenberg Kicks Rich Rodriguez On The Way Out

From time to time I read Michael Rosenberg's work over at the Freep.com.  I dislike most of what is written, mainly because I think the work is largely unoriginal, uninformative, poorly researched, and perhaps most surprisingly for a local newspaper organization in such close proximity to the epicenter of events,  frequently wrong. 

These aspects are especially true whenever Mr. Rosenberg's labors broach the subject of Michigan football and former head coach Rich Rodriguez.

Now, I admit that I have been, and continue to be a Rich Rodriguez supporter myself. I like the man. I think he's a good football coach and a good person.   He's not eloquent, nor the most polished person you'll ever meet in his profession perhaps.  But I like his offensive strategy, as well as his philosophy about college football player conditioning.  I also like that he genuinely cares about his players, their education, their families, and their well-being.

But I also agree with Rodriguez's many critics that he was stubborn at times and made many poor coaching decisions at Michigan that lead to his undoing.  Rich Rodriguez was fired this week, and it was Mr. Rosenberg who spent a great deal of his time and energy the last 4 years convincing the world how unworthy Rich Rodriguez was. 

Today's article was a surprise to me that the Freep and Mr. Rosenberg apparently remain restless. Rodriguez has been shown the door, but there's still some need to convince or remind people just why it was that Rich Rodriguez failed at U-M.

Rosenberg's piece is wordy and takes the readers all over the place, starting with tiresome stops about Michigan's recently launched national coaching search along with some pointless, uninformed guesses about Jim Harbaugh's career aspirations.  It's only at the end that we finally get to the real reasons. I summarize my understanding of the arguments why below:

Why Rich Rodriguez Failed at U-M according to the Freep and Mr. Rosenberg:

1. Because Rich Rodriguez forgot to coach overnight. (Rosenberg needs to start using a spelling and grammar checker on his editing program).

2. Because Rich Rodriguez was under-qualified. He had 3 good years at West Virginia and that's it.   It was not good enough for Michigan, ergo he should never have been hired.

3. Because Rich Rodriguez won most of his games against lousy competition.

4. Rich Rodriguez was 43-43 over last 7 years at WVU and Michigan (math error)

5. Rich Rodriguez failed at hiring assistant coaches.

6. Rich Rodriguez failed at recruiting.

7. Because the University of Michigan is "so much better" than Rich Rodriguez.

I think Rosenberg is right with No. 5. I agree half-heartedly with No. 3 because it's easy to damn Rodriguez and WVU's strength of schedule over that period, particularly in hindsight after RR's horrid record and coaching failures at UM.  If Rodriguez had won more games though, argument No. 3 would be irrelevant . This same approach could be applied to any coach's strength of schedule history really.  Why doesn't anybody care about Urban Meyer's strength of schedule while at Bowling Green or while at Utah? Does all of that disqualify him from the Florida post? Would Gary Patterson's work at Kansas State discount his undefeated TCU season in 13-0? No. Doing so just blows up the argument that insists Rich Rodriguez really is a good-for-nothing low life.

The remaining list of reasons by Rosenberg I consider to be a combination of stupidity, laziness and mean-spirited elitism.

I've got more to say about his article after the jump.

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Why Rich Rodriguez failed at U-M

By MICHAEL ROSENBERG
DETROIT FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

Six weeks ago, the two people who seemed most likely to coach Michigan in 2011 were Rich Rodriguez and Jim Harbaugh. It won't be either. So who is next?

Let's say this, up front: Michigan remains a premier job. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Don't let them say that if Rodriguez couldn't win in Ann Arbor and Harbaugh doesn't want to be there, Michigan has lost its luster.

OK, Mr. Rosenberg. We won't let them tell us these things.  Thanks for the tip.

Most of Michigan's current recruits are still coming to Michigan regardless of Rodriguez's departure and his unknown replacement. There will no doubt be attrition from the current UM roster.  We'll all be sure to read from the Freep how that player attrition is all  Rich Rodriguez's fault. Meanwhile, Colin Cowherd and other ESPN talking heads might say things like "Michigan has lost its luster" to boost listener delight/rage and thereby program ratings, but the fact is that Michigan's athletic programs  and facilities are still regarded with great esteem nationally and many still await planned upgrades.  This fact is still especially true for football. Thanks for pointing out the obvious to readers though.

After firing Rodriguez, athletic director Dave Brandon evaded questions at Wednesday's news conference about whether he had talked with Harbaugh recently about taking the job. Brandon also said he thought Harbaugh would go to the NFL. Do the math: Brandon knows Harbaugh isn't coming to Michigan.

Another brilliant deduction. As for "doing the math", we'll need to correct some math below?

For a while, I had reason to believe U-M had a real shot at Harbaugh. And if Harbaugh, who turned 47 last month, wanted to be a college coach forever, I think he would have jumped at the Michigan job. But he knows if he goes to U-M now, it will take him at least two or three years to reach a level he has reached at Stanford -- and would delay any chance to go to the NFL. Scratch him off the list. It sounds like Brandon already has. Related: Michigan fires Rich Rodriguez

I don't understand the reason to give readers instructions about the coaching search. Scratch what off?  If something important is known about the coaching search, then why stammer around on the subject?  Just write about it.

I am amused by people who say Rodriguez "didn't forget to coach overnight." OK, fine. But why should his ability be defined only by his three excellent years at West Virginia and not the other seven years of his Division I career?

I think Rosenberg means "didn't forget how to coach overnight".  Because the expression"to coach overnight" would have almost certainly implied a "major" NCAA violation - an important subject matter about which the writer and his crack research team at the Freep know nothing.

And being "amused" by the conversations and debates one is having within one's own skull could be a sign of psychosis. Who could it be framing such counter-arguments on Rodriguez's behalf about his short-term memory problem associated with coaching football?   Is it Mark Twain? Boba Fett?  I knew it.  It was Boba Fett, right?

2005-2007 seasons at West Virginia happen to still be excellent selling points for Rich Rodriguez as a head coach. They would be for any college football coach. They are not the only selling points, of course,  but the writer is eager to discount any and all of Rodriguez's past successes. Why? And compared to what?  Les Miles?  Jim Harbaugh?  Lou Holtz? Before arriving to Michigan Rodriguez won more games as a head coach than Bo Schembechler, Gary Moeller, Lloyd Carr and Les Miles combined before their respective first years of head coaching at major programs.  Rodriguez was not perfect, but he "didn't forget how to coach overnight".  There were many other factors as to why Rodriguez failed at Michigan.  His previous head coaching experience is not a valid reason. Color Mr. Rosenberg skeptical until Rodriguez demonstrates success anywhere else but Michigan.

Rodriguez's record in those seven years at U-M and WVU is 43-43. In 10 years at two major-conference schools, Rodriguez has won seven games against teams that finished the year ranked in the top 25 -- and only one against a team that finished in the top 10. (Those numbers jump to eight and two if you give Rodriguez credit for West Virginia's victory in the 2008 Fiesta Bowl after he left for Michigan.)

Talk about "do the math", sheesh! Where in the world does 43-43 come from?  The writer states "seven years at UM and WVU".  Well, this means 2004 through 2010 seasons. Rodriguez was 65-31 during this period - 9 losses coaching at WVU and 22 losses coaching at Michigan. Not 43-43.

And why not perform a like comparison of strength of schedule for Lloyd Carr, Urban Meyer, Les Miles over a 10 year period? Why leave that out? 

Then we get to the part where the writer needs to take remedial courses in logic and argument. Applying one set of critical standards to Rodriguez in this paragraph that were not applied when Bo, Gary and Lloyd were hired as head coach at Michigan is unjust. Schembechler's record at Miami (OH) before Michigan was 40-17-3. Not bad, but not exactly setting the world on fire either. The highlight of Gary Moeller's early career was a 29-13 win at Northwestern in 1979. He was a pathetic 6-24-3 as a head coach before coming to Michigan.  Lloyd Carr was never a head coach anywhere before being dubbed UM head coach successor to Moeller.  The writer thinks 65-31 is Rodriguez rolling around in pig excrement.

Acknowledged. So the writer cannot avoid being disingenuous. But if one is going to criticize Rich Rodriguez and all future Michigan coaches about the merits of their past victory count and strength of schedule, then one must at least have the decency to apply that same critical measure fairly and equitably to predecessors (and successors) for proper contrast.

I'm not saying Rodriguez is as bad as his Michigan record -- he did have three wonderful years at West Virginia and three other decent ones. But he is responsible for his failure at Michigan. For all the complaining about the Les Miles crowd and Lloyd Carr's disgruntled players and the media and "the drama," Rodriguez failed at the most important tasks for a coach: hiring assistant coaches and recruiting.

Congratulations on another unoriginal and obvious double conclusion.  Everyone under the sun understands that Rodriguez failed in hiring quality defensive coordinators and defensive staff. However, the second conclusion about failing at recruiting is patently false 

Rodriguez actually did a good job of recruiting under very difficult circumstances, including losing records, repeat losses to key rivals, an organized media vendetta, an internal and NCAA investigation into improprieties about practice hours, negative recruiting and negative commentary from past players.  Rodriguez also experienced an unusual amount of player attrition in 2008 and from his own recruiting classes of 2009 and 2010. Most of this attrition was bad fortune and not related to Rodriguez  himself.  Lloyd Carr had similar bad fortune with the ridiculous attrition of his highly-ranked 2005 recruiting class. 

We should pause to remember that we are trying to frame an argument about "Why Rodriguez failed at UM" but no evidence has been cited.  No concrete examples given to make the case clear, like this: Rodriguez signed recruiting classes ranked 6th, 14th and 12th (Scout.com) in the land respectively during  in his 3 years at Michigan (while Michigan faced heavy negative recruiting tactics in the field).  Lloyd Carr's last 3 recruiting classes were ranked 6th, 13th and 12th (also while Michigan faced different, but still heavy negative recruiting tactics in the field).  Oh, did I just blow to smithereens the "failure to recruit argument" right there by using actual recruiting class rankings? So, Carr and Rodriguez's recent recruiting classes were ranked similarly?   Do you believe that 15 seconds of research online can make the commentary of highly paid journalists with Michigan degrees look incompetent?

That's why this regime was not salvageable.

To his credit, Brandon saw that. Brandon said at the news conference that he did not decide Rodriguez's fate until Tuesday night. On Tuesday afternoon, the Free Press, plus two other media outlets, reported that the decision already had been made.

If you're a Michigan fan, do you even want Brandon's version to be true? Would you really want Brandon to wake up Tuesday morning unsure of what he would do?

I don't fault Brandon for saying it. He needs the perception that he gave Rodriguez a fair evaluation until the end. And if there is any evidence that the decision was made before Jan. 1, Rodriguez could try to recoup another $1.5 million in buyout money from Michigan. (The buyout for his six-year contract dropped from $4 million to $2.5 million Jan. 1.)

Brandon needs to move on from the Rodriguez era as quickly and painlessly as possible. Rodriguez wasn't shy about blaming factions, Carr, etc., when he was still employed by Michigan. Now that he needs another job, do you think he will sit back and take full responsibility?

This is just shameless stomping on Rodriguez's grave, man.  For what? The writer should be ashamed of himself.  Seriously. Did he even read Rodriguez's statement released today (January 6, 2011)?  Were those the comments of a con-artist, blaming everyone else but himself?  Has he listened to nothing that the Michigan players have said over the last several months?

Rodriguez already publicly accepted full responsibility for Michigan's losing seasons and lack of success on the field.  A better question would be this: When do people start taking responsibility for failing to pay attention?

That should be enough. But what the writer wants is some kind of grandiose public apology from Rich Rodriguez, to which Rodriguez is not obligated, and one that the writer doesn't deserve.

Rodriguez's people got a head start on the spin campaign by leaking a document to CBSSports.com that read, in part: "Rich Rodriguez was right when he said not even Vince Lombardi could solve the current problems (at Michigan). At least Lombardi was able to send men to battle men; Rodriguez has had to send teenagers to battle men." That story was published the day before the Gator Bowl.

Who are "Rodriguez's people" and please cite the sources and evidence to back up this assertion.  This is the part where the writer could at least feign to know something about investigative journalism. And so it's true. He didn't read Rich Rodriguez's official statement.

The last three years have been such a debacle -- some day, it all will seem like a bad dream. There has been too much blame, too much paranoia and not nearly enough true leadership. The University of Michigan is so much better than this. Now Brandon has to find the guy who can prove it.

In closing I find it remarkably sad that Michael Rosenberg believes it must be people like himself and the media outlet he works for are the ones to frame the discussion around what makes the University of Michigan "so much better than this".  I highly doubt that subscribers of the Detroit Free Press want to pay money to read about the University of Michigan's innate superiority over Mr. Rodriguez.  Rich Rodriguez failed at his charge.  He did not make good decisions in hiring assistants.  He recruited his players and installed his offense, defense and conditioning program at Michigan.  The three Michigan teams he coached were either very young, very inexperienced or both.  These things combined to undermine Rodriguez's rate of success on the field. He is responsible.  

I would congratulate Mr. Rosenberg on his success in running Rodriguez out of town, except I would be unsurprised he already has congratulated himself. For what exactly, I do not understand.  It cannot be about anything remotely related to fairness, integrity, conscience or good, informative, investigative journalism.

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Fantastic

I usually steer away from Rosenberg’s writing because most of it, as you said, is not very well written or thought out. That being said, this was a superb take down of what is essentially a thinly veiled celebratory piece on Rodriguez’s dismissal. You picked it apart eloquently and thoughtfully. If only somebody sent Mike a link so he could rethink what he wrote. Great job.

If it were me writing in response to Rosenberg, I’d have just quoted Billy Madison:

“Mr. Rosenberg, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

Go Blue!

http://www.maizenbrew.com/

by Zach Travis on Jan 6, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions  

I like it, markus.

Here’s the one point I’d make in response to you, and in rebuttal to Rosenberg.

Rosenberg’s latest tactic against Rodriguez started before the Gator Bowl; he began suggesting that Rodruguez was a substantive failure as a head coach because he wasn’t wisely choosing assistants. The implication was that Rodriguez was hiring incompetent freinds and yes-men.

It is comprehensively untrue. no surprise, coming from Rosenberg. Yes, Rodriguez brought all but one of his own staff with him. Just as Bo Schembechler brought all but two of his own staff in the winter of ‘68-’69. After a significant disagreement with Don Canham over that precise fact.

Who were Rich Rodriguez’s coaching “freinds”? Calvin Magee, Bruce Tall, Mike Barwis and severl others. Who were the outsiders, the unknowns? Scott Schafer and Greg Robinson. Who was the desired pick over Schafer and Robinson? Not once, but twice? With a better, proven DC record than either of them? It was Jeff Casteel at WVU.

We didn’t have “too many RR friends.” We had one too few RR friends on our staff.

Once again, Rosenberg’s bias, animus and incompetence shows itself.

Somebody mentioned that it will begin anew, with Rosenberg, when a new coach is hired. That he’ll start back in, with more character assasination. That may be. I don’t honestly know, and I hestitate to predict anything. What I am certain of is that Rosenberg’s happy prediction that he knew, for sure, that Harbaugh will take the Michigan job if offered (Rosenberg published that statement in the Free Press, included it in a posting for SI.com, and said so on ESPN radio) has been demolished. And Rosey’s no doubt pissed about all of that now. I suspect that it will be Brandon who takes most of the heat from the Freep guys. Brandon, who failed to secure Harbaugh, as Rosenberg expected.

I don’t accuse Rosenberg of any general anti-Michigan malevolence just to sell controversy. That’s Drew Sharp’s job. I do accuse Rosenberg of having tried to orchestrate the ouster of Rich Rodriguez specifically to install Harbaugh. And how did that one work out.

by Section 1 on Jan 10, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Your first mistake

…was to read anything by this nitwit in the first place, Markusr. I learned that a few years ago, and I quit reading anything by him or Sharp. For some reason, they spew out this elitist dribble without saying much of anything. Frankly, I find their columns tedious and boring myself, and they aren’t worth the read. Don’t let these guys get to you. They are OpEds for a reason.

Rosenberg looks like a 10 year old nerd know-it-all that I used to beat up and tease 20 some years ago. Plus, he’s ugly. So there.

I quit liking RR last year, and by mid-season, I thought we should think about getting someone else. However, I never did hate the guy. I couldn’t do what he did, especially when he had all the negative press on him from the get go (courtesy of guess who? Rosenberg and Sharp).

by crazydaz on Jan 6, 2011 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

Well, I've decided to challenge this going forward

Sharp, Rosenberg and the other Op-Eds are not going to stop with Rich Rodriguez.
Hoke or whoever else (the next “Un-Michigan Man”?) will soon be in their sights next.
I really think that more people need to call them out on all this crooked writing.
Maybe I need to do this elsewhere, as I don’t want to eff up what Dave and the rest of the guys have been doing on this blog.

Go Blue!

by markusr2007 on Jan 6, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Go for it Markus.

If something is stupid, then take it down.

http://maizenbrew.com
Get it?

by Beauford on Jan 7, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

You know the wild thing is....

I bet JH might not even be so great in the NFL. Watch the guy just be average and the “professionals” not get all that fired up about his um…..fire.

by Flying J on Jan 6, 2011 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

Shame

I have never been more ashamed of UM than I am t present. The University has treated a good man and good coach, much-loved by his players, as if he were anything but. It has sacrificed its integrity, ethics, and decency on the altar of popularity, pandering to fans who care more about winning than about character. There are no excuses for such behavior—not the revenue football brings in, not the applications for admission it generates, and certainly not the swollen pride and puerile, narcissistic whining of people who’ve never understood and never absorbed the ethos that makes Michigan unique. We have become just another public university, just another football factory, just another venue for the great circus that is FBS football. Just add some bread to our pathetic lust for something big and powerful to identify with and we’ll be as satisfied as the subjects of any rotten empire.
    I bleed maize and blue as much as anyone, but this spectacle makes me queasy with embarrassment. Never in more than 40 years have I ever considered abandoning my own (needy) attachment to Michigan and its athletic teams. Now, though, the thought has occurred to me, and the taste in my mouth is like ash and blood. Shame on everyone involved, from Coleman and the trustees to Brandon to the bloggers and boo-birds. Shame.
   M.K. Briand, ’74

by mb121wl on Jan 6, 2011 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

Lost integrity, really?

“…sacrificed its integrity, ethics, and decency on the altar of popularity, pandering to fans who care more about winning than about character”. How, by firing an ineffective football coach? Universities fire poor coaches all the time – it doesn’t mean they’ve sacrificed their integrity. Dave Brandon even gave RR one last chance to prove himself at the Gator Bowl. Had UM been pandering to the majority of its fan base, RR would’ve been fired immediately after the OSU debacle.

by Collegeville on Jan 7, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

haha i’m just impressed that he came up with the phrase “altar of popularity”.

I’m going to have to use that one sometime….

What would Yzerman do?

by Huzilla on Jan 8, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not for the RichRod bashing

but, I didn’t think he was the right guy for Michigan, I wasn’t psyched about the spread or having our QB run the ball 30+ times, and that was just the offense.

I can’t fault RR for coming to Michigan, Thanks for coming, Good luck in the Future.

I am still puzzled as to why Lloyd Carr was fired. App State?

NO HOMO!!!!!!!

by FMFDOC8404 on Jan 6, 2011 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

I'm puzzled as to why Lloyd Carr was fired too.

You know, since he wasn’t.

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jan 7, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

There is a fine line between being fired and being pressured into resignation like Lloyd was.
As for why, it was because this fan-base was upset with 8-4 and a bowl win against, Tim Tebow led, Florida…how things change.

by rif23 on Jan 7, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I take exception that.
I think most in the fan base were upset that Michigan lost to a FCS team and then got blown out at home to Oregon. Coming off of a season in which Michigan was a missed on-side kick away from playing in the BCS Championship and brought back everybody on the offense. I think people had a right to have high expectations.
Rich Rod almost lost to a FCS team this year and people acted like this was the end of Michigan football, never mind that Carr had already been there (and after having been head coach for 11 years, not just 2 years and 2 games).
Carr was too loyal to some players and was slipping, he needed to go; that his replacement ended up not working out doesn’t mean it was mistake for him to leave.

by Lostincali on Jan 7, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I have no evidence to back it up, just as you have no evidence that he was pressured into resignation,

but sincerely doubt that anyone within the athletics department pressured Lloyd to retire. Just because fans were upset doesn’t mean those inside Fort Schembechler were saying the same things.

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jan 7, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

My bad, you're right.

Lloyd wasn’t fired. But to say he wasn’t pressured to resign…..

NO HOMO!!!!!!!

by FMFDOC8404 on Jan 7, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with you

Especially on the recruiting part. Even if the recruiting was not as highly ranked (I think other media services such as Athlon have it much worse, when was the last time we got a 5 star guy), you can’t say Rich Rod recruited as well as Lloyd when many of his recruits never saw the field for a variety of reasons. You can’t chalk everything up to “bad luck”, sometimes the person who is responsible, needs to be held responsible.

Rich Rod said that even Lombardi couldn’t fix the problems with the defense, mostly because of the young age of the players. If he had three years to bring recruits into Michigan, isn’t it his responsibility to make sure that players are also prepared on the Defensive side of the ball?

this pretty much sums up the argument of Rich Rod supporters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyfAD_l9R-Q

Also, regarding the “Michigan is so much better than this” line, I think Rosenberg is referring to Michigan’s performance on the field. I don’t think he is suggesting that Michigan is beneath hiring Rich Rod. I think he’s saying that Michigan is beyond 0-6 against MSU and OSU, a 40+ drubbing against Mississippi St. etc.

Finally. Has Michigan lost it’s Luster? Yes, it’s still an Athletic powerhouse and has great football facilities. But this is a critical part of Michigan football history. I would say that the program is at it’s worse place since 1969. So say what you want about facilities and such, talk about NCAA probation, the fact that we can’t beat OSU, the fact that we just fired our coach, yes we’ve lost a bit of our luster. Don’t be naive or conceited enough to think that what has happened to other big name schools such as FSU, Miami, Nebraska, and such won’t happen here if we don’t get this turned around soon.

What would Yzerman do?

by Huzilla on Jan 6, 2011 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

Rich Rod said that even Lombardi couldn’t fix the problems with the defense

Nobody could fix it running a 3-3-5.

NO HOMO!!!!!!!

by FMFDOC8404 on Jan 7, 2011 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Not ND

more like USC in the ninties. A down turn, basketball school rival got better took a few years to turn it around but got back to where they always were. What about Alabama? Nabraska?Oklahoma?all schools go thru hard times. Remember who is saying the program is going down ,and is a “regional” program. These are the enemy of the program and alsways go with the negative side of everything. I havent read a decent feel good story from DS or MR in so long I cant remember.I live in Socal and I can tell you I watched almost every game on TV this year in fact more UM games are on national tv then any program I can think of,hell USC isnt on tv as much out here.

Aint living long like this

by GabbyGoBlue on Jan 7, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Stop blaming the 3-3-5 already

TCU beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl, they run a 3-3-5.

by Dusty Haupt on Jan 7, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok,

It’s on the players and the coaching, good for you, you found a team that beat a “bigger” program with the 3-3-5.

NO HOMO!!!!!!!

by FMFDOC8404 on Jan 7, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

no they don't

they run a 4-2-5

Read Sports Illustrated this week, they covered it. It’s basically a nickel.

What would Yzerman do?

by Huzilla on Jan 8, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

ehhh

it’s possible that he could have brought some guys over from this WVU class, like cough Pryor cough

shall we call it 2.5?

What would Yzerman do?

by Huzilla on Jan 8, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

"when was the last time we got a 5 star guy"

Devin Gardner = 5 star.

"...you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky?
Well, do ya, punk?"

by The Blue Planet on Jan 7, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

ok

You’re right. But I think it’s safe to say that it’s at the one position where we need one the least!

What would Yzerman do?

by Huzilla on Jan 8, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

43-43

FWIW, he was counting the 2001-2004 seasons at WVU + the 3 Michigan seasons. == 43-43. Basically the argument was: ignoring his best 3 seasons out of 10 as flukes, RichRod’s coaching record is only .500! omg!

I’m not saying that argument makes any sense, just pointing out how he got the 43-43 record.

by ectonoob on Jan 10, 2011 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

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