Hoooooooly Crap, Jim Tressel's Smoking Gun Email Exists And It's Worse Than You Could Imagine
by Maize n Brew Dave on Mar 9, 2011 12:04 PM CST
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PrintHoly Jeebus this is bad. Jim Tressel received notification that at least one name player and several others were receiving free tatoos and bringing Ohio State merchandise to a convicted felon for his resale, via email ON APRIL 2, 2010. 610 WTVN out of Columbus has the actual email up for you to view.
I mean hoooooollllly crap. This is so far beyond anything I could've possibily imagined. He knew about the players. He knew about the merchandise. He knew that his players were involved with a convicted felon. He knew there was a federal invesitgation going on. And the guy telling him this didn't say he was a lawyer. Maybe the lawyer thing comes up later, but there's nothing here requesting confidentiality.
I've posted the sanitized version of the email that Greg from MVictors has produced below. If you want the full version go to 610 WTVN's website to view the whole thing. Quick word to the wise for the people doing the redacting... make sure you delete the entire header if you want your source to be anonymous. [Update: The header I'm referring to belongs to Doug Archie, OSU's director of compliance. I suspect, though I have no way of confirming this, that this was printed off his computer as part of OSU's internal investigation and not an indicator that he was the "concerned" source that sparked the whole thing. I should've researched that ahead of time, but didn't. My apologies to Mr. Archie, I should've labeled that before. - Dave]
After reading this, and I'm sure after reading the remaining two emails once they become available, I can't fathom how Ohio State will escape a severe punishment from the NCAA. Come to your own conclusions after reading this....
Massive HT to Mvictors.com
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tOSU=Boned
I hope their math department wasn’t involved in their response, because nothing adds up.
There it is.
When I heard he was “notified” through an e-mail I thought he still had plausible deniability that he did not read the notification and therefore did not respond. Like you said: with this we have a smoking gun.
The next question to ask: did the NCAA conduct a phone interview with Jim Tressel on December 21st on this issue? Did they ask if he had knowledge prior to December 7th?
If he denied knowledge things start to collapse in a hurry and the NCAA can’t possibly squirm their way out of a major penalty. In fact they may not appreciate the way Ohio $tate was whining about an appeal for “mitigating circumstances” during the initial press conference back before Christmas.
Perhaps the final question will be: do you gain some comfort knowing that Ohio State will have to vacate its win against Michigan?
@jschnauzer
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the thing about Archie
…is that this means it goes from a coach’s problem to a program problem. If the director of compliance is in on this too… wooah.
Go Maize, Blue, and Gray!
"I would like to hold some collateral, if you know what I mean"?????
What in the hell does THAT mean? God that sounds so bad.
Seriously
I don’t know what that means either. I usually say “ifyouknowwhaddimean” to imply a double-entendre of a sexual nature. I assumed that’s how most people used it, too. Yet on its own it can’t possibly mean anything here. But if we combine it with some contextual info…
…maybe it has something to do with pounding kids and hoping they grow.
My goodness. You’re quite right, Dave. Far worse than anyone could possibly have imagined.
(I’m so juvenile.)
Someone's getting the Death Penalty, question is who?
The NCAA get’s to set the tone for college football for the next decade with OSU and ongoing investigations into Oregon and Auburn (remember, the Newton loophole applies to Newton, not Auburn. If it turns out they paid Newton’s dad, they’re in barney). Either they come down soft, slapping OSU and Oregon on the wrist, and letting the Auburn investigation fizzle out, or they will get a backbone and hit at least one of these schools with the Death Penalty. If they let everyone off easy, they will be effectively giving themselves the death penalty. Blatant cheating will become rampant (it’s already rampant, but at least it’s still got a veneer of respectibility).
Given that the NCAA is being sued by players over likiness infringement, and it’s eternal war to keep it’s non-profit status, it doesn’t seem possible that it would let this slip by unpunished. The resultant precedent will erode it’s ludicrous claim that it’s athletes are amatuer’s and that it is a non-for-profit enterprise. Sort of like trademark infringement, failure of a firm to aggressively defend it’s trademark by suing every tee shirt street vendor who rips the trademark off can actually weaken their claim on the trademark should a serious competitor try and mimic it.
For every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand, and wrong.
The Death Penalty WILL. NEVER. HAPPEN. AGAIN.
Ever. It just won’t. And as bad as those three instances are, they are child’s play in comparison to what SMU was doing and got killed for.
That said, I agree 110% with you that how the NCAA handles these three cases will set the tone for the entire decade. The NCAA basically took the 2000s off, and I don’t think anyone now agrees that was a good idea, though, people were constantly bitching that the NCAA was too draconian at the turn of the previous decade and severely punishing for minor and innocent mistakes. yet more proof that you can’t please anyone.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Hey Hoy--What a great name, "HoyaGoon"
The NCAA didn’t take the ’00’s off. They found time to harass and harange us here in the mitten state.
What a great name!
by PreachinTotheChoir on Mar 10, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
but even then, the NCAA didn’t come down too hard on Michigan, didn’t they largely just accept the punishments Michigan already had in place? And even that is a reflection of the NCAA’s preferred punishment course in the 2000s: let the school punish itself, only add to it in egregious cases. And I think that is a proximate cause of things getting out of hand here in college football (not talking about the Michigan case here).
Thanks for the appreciation on the name. It’s actually “Hoya” and “Goon”, the second part reflecting a nickname I picked up during my Georgetown years.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
HoyaG
You are probably right about the whole Michigan/NCAA biz. They brought up the possibilty of heavier charges, but RR and the college prez, etc were allowed to press the case that it wasn’t so serious that we couldn’t clean it up ourselves. So I guess they were lenient (is that spelled right?) but not lax. How they respond to OSU is going to tell us a lot on how they plan to handle the dishonesty thing. They have slapped around some people pretty good for deceptions. The most severe for the crime was a player, which was ridiculous considering the whole situation for that one.
BTW, I know you didn’t ask, but I chose my name based on the idea that when I first signed up for Maize & Brew that the discussions would be mostly agreement on our love of Michigan football. Well, of course, it was awfully naive of me and boy was I wrong. I think the strongest disagreements are between backers of the same school—as long as an outsider doesn’t chime in, because even if you choose a side you’re still wrong, no matter what side it is. And discussion like this bring in many other POVs, and supporters of other schools, like yourself. I’m going to try to change the screen name because too many people think I’m a real preacher.
by PreachinTotheChoir on Mar 11, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I Think That Should Be "Whom"
I have no idea if it should be whom. I thought it was a great line.
If this whole thing has taught me one thing, one very important thing, that will stick with me for a long, LONG time, and it is this; never, ever “refresh” before you post your comments. Don’t do it. Especially if you have some good points.
by PreachinTotheChoir on Mar 10, 2011 8:10 AM CST reply actions
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