I'm Getting an Uneasy Gut Feeling . . .re: OSU
by PreachinTotheChoir on Apr 25, 2011 6:50 PM CDT
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Despite all of the hand-wringing and pontification at espn and elsewhere that Ohio Hate is in big trouble, I have this feeling that the NCAA is not going to do the right thing. I only base it on one tiny thing. Tiny in relation to what has been charged, but big in my mind considering, again, what has been charged. They aren't being charged with the dreaded "lack of institutional control". The violations are being called "potentially major." And maybe it isn't an appropriate charge considering it was Tressell alone that lied through his teeth while he did "the right thing" last year. I look at what they charged Michigan with and wonder about why they had to defend a charge of "lack of institutional control" but OSU is a repeat offender and the issue of institutional control is not being charged. I wouldn't say what UM was accused of and what they did was penny-ante, because I think coaches know the rules and are obliged to follow them. Keeping track of your players "football time" in the off season is one of those obligations. But there was never any cover-up, or accusations that UM, the Prez, the AD, Coach RR or anyone else wasn't 100% above board during the investigation, yet there it was, a charge of a lack of institutional control. And maybe the nature of the charges leads to the LOIC charge.
I contend that OSU has shown an obvious LOIC. Their pitiful handling of the situation when they learned of it is one way they are showing a lack of control. Most schools fire coaches that lie to the Admin, the AD, the Compliance office, the investigators (whether they are the schools or the NCAAs), their Conference, and the NCAA. But a 2 game suspension and a fine he can pay out of petty cash show just how seriously they took and are taking the allegations they have already admitted were true. How they think that is appropriate is so far out of believable, I just can't wrap my mind around it.
By the way, does anyone find humor in the way the NCAA tells OSU that, following OSU's investigation regarding Coach Tressell's honesty and lack of candor, and report to the NCAA the results of that investigation, the NCAA says, "Coach Tressell was not being honest and lacked candor, etc."
Anyway, I just have this feeling the NCAA is not going to be as harsh with OSU as most think they should be. I'm not sure what I think should happen, but it won't be severe enough and the NCAA will continue to be paper tigers to the worst offenders. Let the whitewashing begin.
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Unfortunately you might be right
I think you hit the nail on the head. All one has to do is look back at the “punishment” the players received for their part in this. If the NCAA was legit those kids would have started their suspension with the bowl game and not Akron in The Horseshoe. My only glimmer of hope is that the NCAA will pull their heads out of their butts and see the light that this goes beyond looking bad for a coach or even an entire school, but for the NCAA as a whole.
I Hope You Are Right, Wes
And I’m pretty sure that, even if I feel like they should have gotten a stiffer penalty, they will be squirming and screaming and gnashing teeth in Columbus until the cows come home. The saddest part of all this is that had Tressell come clean with this last April, most people would be totally on his side. Even a lot of us ornery Wolverine fans couldn’t find a whole lot of fault with him, or his players for that matter. College players need money for things too. What penalty would they had given the players if all this was on the table a year ago? I can’t imagine it would have been 5 games. Maybe 2? Maybe. I could be wrong, but not nearly as wrong as Tressell.
by PreachinTotheChoir on Apr 25, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the NCAA is waiting until summer
to make a decision, to give OSU a chance to punish JT more. If they do, the NCAA won’t punish them so harshly. But when they don’t, the NCAA will drop a hammer like they did to the Fab-5.
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I Think I was Overreacting
With the first decommit for the Buckeyes, maybe others are seeing this for what it is. I just had this paranoid notion OSU was going to get away with it again.
by PreachinTotheChoir on Apr 27, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think OSU will get away with this att all
I think that the NCAA is giving OSU time to pull their heads out of their asses and get rid of Tressel. If the Buckeyes insist on riding the raft down the rapids with Tressel they are just going to end up in worse shape at the end than if they get off of the raft.
The NCAA has served OSU with the allegations. The preliminary allegations aren’t even all of the things they will eventually be charged with. They just socked them with the stuff about Tressel lying to the investigators. There will be more coming as the investigation proceeds.
The NCAA has issued the Tressel allegations separately in order to start the proceedings on them independently from the rest. I fully expect a ruling on the Tressel infractions long before the investigation is complete on the remainder of the problems in the OSU program.
Given the gravity of what Tressel has done, it is very likely that the NCAA will choose to hit Tressel very hard so that they can show more lenience to OSU as a whole. I fully expect a show cause order to issued against Tressel for at least two or three years in duration. Tressel is going to end up as the sacrificial lamb in the end.
What Tressel has done has poisoned the investigation against OSU. Instead of dealing with OSU as a cooperative partner in the investigation, the NCAA will now dig deeper and harder than they would have if Tressel had come clean from the start. It is quite possible that some of the other Buckeye dirty laundry will be exposed in the investigation.
Remember, it took three years for the NCAA to smack down USC, but in the end USC got smacked pretty hard.
Re: I don't think OSU will get away with this att all
I agree with you, all except the sacrificial lamb part. The Vest will in no way, shape or form be a sacrificial lamb when the NCAA is done. He brought this upon himself and is, at this time, solely responsible for his actions. The sacrificial lamb, IMO, is The Big Ten image as a whole. I am quite upset that The Big Ten is now being compared to other conferences that have a long history of dirty laundry. This was brought upon by the subject of this discussion, The Vest himself. IMO, tOSU really has no choice but to get rid of the problem and throw itself on the mercy of the NCAA board in order to stave off any further damage the board may be considering in terms of punishment. But, that’s just my opinion.
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Too little, too late
I agree that the NCAA will probably do something to that school in ohio, but it’s not going to be any time soon. That being sadi, I think OSU is waitiing to see what happens befor they cut a severence package for Tressel.
I think they might get hurt but it depends
I think them and Auburn could get hit pretty hard bc USC is showing the NCAA that the penalties aren’t really hurting them. I also think though that it really depends on what can be proven bc if anything is in question, Ohio St will challenge it in court and usually the school can get the benefit of the doubt in court. So the NCAA won’t do anything that it can’t 100% prove
I don't think that there is anything
in question. It’s a known fact that they did sell their gold pants and other memorabilia for tattoos to a guy that was under a federal investigation for selling narcotics. They also traded away Rose Bowl tickets and other jewelry in exchange for an SUV.
JT has admitted he knew about it and the players have not denied it. It is said that JT knowingly used illegal players last season.
IMO, if OSU fires JT then the NCAA will slap OSU on the wrist and say don’t let it happen again. However, if OSU sticks by JT’s side then they will get hit hard. Atleast 2 years of probation, which will include loss of scholarships and no bowl game participation. Also, their wins from last season being voided.
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