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A Thought On Dave Brandon and the State of Michigan Athletics

Perspective is a difficult thing to come by in any walk of life. No matter who you are or what you are doing, your world view is your own. Uniquely your own. While many of us try to place ourselves in the shoes of others in order to see things from their vantage point, our observations from their perspective are colored by our own prejudices and biases.

It is nothing to be ashamed of though. It is, for lack of a better phrase, human nature. The fact that many even attempt to see past the limitations of their own experience is simply evidence of an advancing humanity. We can only move forward if we are willing to divorce ourselves from ourselves, and attempt to view our own position from the perspective of a disinterested observer.

I say these things because of a recent piece that came up on our friends of Brew, Red Cup Rebellion's front page. For those of you who don't know RCR, it's SB Nation's fine Ole Miss blog. And that's not just a platitude. RCR is some of the finest writing in the college football blogosphere, and I highly encourage you to visit them often.

Pleasantries aside, unless you follow Ole Miss with any regularity, you probably don't understand the depth of disappointment that currently calls Oxford home. Ole Miss was once a college football power. Their basketball team was regularly in the NCAA tournament. They were once one of the premier stops for college bound baseball talent. Today, sadly, none of that is true.

This saddens me because Ole Miss is a passionate, articulate, educated fanbase whose passion for their school is unquestionable and their desire to win equals our own. Before the "HUR SEC" stuff starts, let's be clear, from all the Ole Miss alums, fans, and students I've met, they want to win the right way. They honestly believe that their school is a wonderful place to live, learn and play, and that, in and of itself is enough to attract the right players and people. You can make the assumptions you want about the big money boosters or the Houston Nutt or whatever, but the fans I know are above question on this matter.

It is because of this that this piece recently posted by The Ghost of Jay Cutler surprised me and stuck with me. I highly encourage you to read the whole thing to get a flavor for the sense of helplessness that exists in each passionate Ole Miss fan. It is not because of wins and losses. Far from it. It is because of the detachment that currently exists between the athletic department, its teams, and its fanbase. It is also because of the current culture that exists in the department, a culture that seems to accept, even condone losing. TGOJC's piece is an excellent example of what a detached athletic director and athletic department can do, and have done, to a passionate fanbase.

But that's not it. Nestled in the article was the following:

I met [Dave] Brandon at a University of Michigan alumni fundraiser event in Washington, DC. Why? Because I'm dating a girl who went there.... At this event was Brandon, head basketball coach John Beilein, head football coach Brady Hoke, and a few other higher-ups in Michigan athletics. I'll spare the details for this space, but suffice it to say that, when listening to them speak I was blown away.

Not a single one of these people took failure in stride, as if it were a part of the culture. Not a single one of them pandered to their fans any more than they had to. Not a single one of them offered any platitudes. And every single one of them was committed to success.

I heard of detailed plans for fundraising, facilities upgrades, coaching hires, recruiting plans, scholarship funds, and a whole host of other things I've only heard alluded to by the Ole Miss athletics administration, and I was hearing this as an OUTSIDER! I, technically, wasn't even supposed to be at this event! And yet, they were converting me. I was ready to donate money that I don't even have on the spot. Smart people making smart decisions regarding the future of their athletics programs, even in the wake of recent failures?! I was stunned.

(emphasis MnB)

Sometimes it takes someone else to help you realize how good you have it.

more on this after the jump.....

 

Star-divide

TGOJC's piece is timely in the sense that I was already working on a piece about Dave Brandon, but it also presented me with a fresh perspective on the man I was writing about. It's no secret that I'm a big fan of Dave Brandon. I've stuck my neck out in his defense before, and I'll continue to do until I'm proven that it's wrong. I've met him in person several times and always failed to come away anything but totally impressed.

That said, he is not infallible. He is human after all. And we're not above having some fun with him. Certainly there are differing opinions on the night game jerseys and the potential for a new mascot, but the overall health of the department and its 27 different teams is unquestioned. Michigan has rarely been on sturdier ground, and that's saying something. That is why, in my opinion, Dave Brandon may very well be the best athletic director Michigan's seen in a generation.

The new scoreboards at Michigan Stadium and Yost Ice Arena. The first night game in Michigan Stadium History. The basketball practice facility. John Beilein's extension. Red Berenson's contract extension. The handling of the Rich Rodriguez/Stretching NCAA investigation. The Yost renovations. The promotion of men's and women's Lacrosse.

The list goes on, and on, and on. And then, for comparison, there is the current status of Ole Miss.

The Ghost of Jay Cutler's piece was eye opening in the sense that we as Michigan fans are truly spoiled. We have the benefit of coaches and an athletic director who do not, under any circumstances, consider failure an option. They do not shirk from responsibility for mistakes or past failures, but they are driven to ensure those circumstances do not arise again.

I think "driven" is the most relevant word in that paragraph, and the word that most aptly describes Brandon. There is a look in his eye, a purpose to his decisions, and a reason behind every action he takes. And that is to make Michigan the center of the NCAA sporting world.

It is perfectly clear that Brandon's sole motivation is to put Michigan in front of the pack, and to keep it there. He has identified new revenue streams for the athletic department without sacrificing Michigan's core values (for example: saying, unequivocally, there will be no advertising in Michigan Stadium). He has ensured that Michigan will have the best facilities in the country for every sport in which it competes. Where sports struggle, he takes decisive action to remedy what ails them. When he feels teams don't have the resources to compete, he provides them. He is not content for Michigan to be good as some things and okay at others. No, he wants Michigan to be great at everything.

RCR's piece also puts into perspective the squabbles the Michigan fanbase has had recently over the "corporate culture" Brandon has brought to Ann Arbor. In certain pockets of the Michigan fanbase there seems to be the presumption that Brandon will sell off or trade whatever tradition he can to generate more cash. Personally, I don't know where this idea spawned or where its coming from.

There is no question regarding Brandon's love of Michigan. This is a man who played for Bo. He left a multi-million dollar a year job to take the helm of the athletic department at a fraction of his former pay. There is no question regarding his understanding of its tradition. There is also no question that, as the man who oversees a $120 Million athletic department, he has a better understanding than anyone of what is needed to run it appropriately. I think there is also no question that Brandon inherited an athletic department in need of renovation.

To an extent, the pre-Brandon athletic department did have several similar characteristics to the Ole Miss situation. Remember the brewhaha about Bill Martin being out sailing during the coaching search? The issues that arose because people weren't doing their jobs in compliance. The old boy network was so prevalent that it actually started to bring down the once indomitable football program. These are just small examples, but if you think back, you can name many, many more and plenty others you heard about.

Brandon has done away with it. He has cleaned up in-house, and out of it. He has taken back the Block M, and revitalized the symbol of Michigan athletics. He has removed the people who were not committed to the same level of excellence that he is. He trumpets the fact that Michigan is MICHIGAN, but in the same breath reminds us that to be Michigan we must always be at the forefront of development and investment. He respects tradition and welcomes innovation.

In a sense, the "corporate culture" he has instilled is the very culture that Michigan fans trumpet as their own. Michigan may be the leaders and the best, but simply saying does not make it so. You must lead to be the best. You must take a proactive approach to your job and toward the future of Michigan athletics. When problems arise, you must accept responsibility openly, make amends, and create systems that prevent the problem from arising again. This is what has made Brandon so successful in his limited time at Michigan's helm. Brandon has, in my mind, achieved excellence without sacrificing Michigan's core values.

There are plenty of examples of the extremes here. Look at Oregon and Ohio State on one end and Ole Miss on the other. Oregon is now the sole property of Nike's color blindness division. They have sold out to a corporate empire and are smiling ear to ear because of it, tradition be damned. Look at Ohio State's system of denial and blindness to its problems, all in the name of a few football wins and a pile of ill-gotten money. On the other end, re-read RCR's piece and realize the pain behind it caused by a disinterested athletic department.

The Michigan Athletic Department is in good hands. Michigan itself is in good hands. And we as Michigan alumni and fans need to realize this. Look at the positives. Look at the direction of the programs the athletic department controls. Look at the overall health of the school. The future of Michigan athletics is as bright as it's been in decades, and the guy in charge certainly deserves some of the credit for that.

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But you’re getting a standing ovation, a “way to go, Dave!” and several “attaboys” right now.
More later, but wanted to get this out to you!

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 20, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Wanted to Add . . .

One point you made sticks in my mind. The thinking that DB would “sell off” the Michigan brand for bucks to run the programs. I think that comes from the media leading many people to perceive that you have to be corrupt or at least weak in the scruples department to succeed in corporate America today. We hear about it all the time. If you own any type of business you must be rich. If you have money, you must have stolen it from some grandmother or orphan—at least.

DB came to be the Athletic Director of U of M, not a corporate raider in a hostile takeover to sell the assets and close the company. There are many ways a business mind and the academic/athletic world can come together to make things better all the way around. No matter what field you are in, understanding "business" will help you navigate through problems. As much as academic minds want you to think business has nothing to offer academia, academics is as much of a business as selling paper products, cars, tires, garden hoses, etc, etc. OK, one more "etc." You have competition, you have income and expenses to deal with, sales are a huge part of academia. And if something isn’t working, you’d better get in there and fix it or you’ll be left at the starting gate. Business has always been at the forefront of innovation and technical advances. And those who choose to ignore it, do so at their own peril. Look at the recent history of the American auto industry.

I’m glad someone had the forethought to bring in someone with a passion, an understanding of the traditions, a knowledge of the history, and a business sense that allows us to have the greatest facilities around. I’d rather have someone who will also look at the business end when deciding on a new project, than someone who throws money at a program thinking that will fix it.

But please, no "Willy Wolverine."

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 20, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dave Brandon is my man

by 91bigten on Jun 20, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Again,

I was skeptical when Brandon was first hired. I thought he was brought in by the ‘Anti-Rich’ faction to get rid of Rich and destroy the promising future i saw for his high-speed offense. But, man, since watching Hoke’s introductory press conf. i have been nothing but impressed, time after time after time… I was even skeptical of Hoke’s hiring at first, but after hearing him describe the diligent work and decision making he put into he process of finding a new coach, i was instantly on board.

I think one reason a lot of people were bored with the Lloyd Carr era and were pushing to get him out, was that a feeling of stagnation had fallen over the program, and this was probably more Bill Martin’s fault than it was Lloyd’s. As you get older and stay in he same positon for a while, you can get complacent and lose that drive to constantly be improving and moving forward. I think that is what happened with Bill. The new blood we needed wasn’t necessarily in the head coach position, but probably more upstairs with the AD. The Michigan athletic department has been anything but stagnate since the hiring of Brandon. In the time since i watched him introduce our new head coach, spanning just over 6 months, it has been story after story of some improvement he is making to Michigan athletics; not just football, but a number of UM athletic programs. Football has my heart but i am a fan of any and all sports (especially lacrosse) and am extremely happy to see him dedicated to success in Michigan Athletics across the board.

I believe the ‘corporate culture’ you alluded to is just what Michigan needed. Sucess in the business world requires excellent decision making while constantly thinking of ways to improve and stay ahead of the competion. This is what Brandon has brought to Michigan and this is why i am ecstatic over the future of UofM.

Go Blue!

"Why would you ask a dumb question like that?" - Lloyd Carr

by Ouck Fhio on Jun 20, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Mixed Results

Brandon did an excellent job managing the NCAA hearing.

He is getting credit for several Bill Martin initiatives, though I have no problem with that, since it happens every time there’s a transition.

But the way RR was “evaluated” and fired, and the way the coaching search was handled, was most un-good. DB let a Michigan head coach’s rear end hang out in the breeze for weeks during “the process.” DB should have lined up his ducks after the Ohio State game. We know that didn’t happen. Though Hoke appears to have been a lucky strike.

Night games? Fine, I guess. Michigan’s 3:30 games have occasionally run past sundown and lights were turned on. No big deal. But it’s interesting the way he talked with Ann Arbor.com about stadium lights in April of 2010:

“When asked about night games in the stadium – Michigan will play host to its first one in 2011 when Notre Dame visits Ann Arbor – Brandon said the stadium has the capability of adding lights to the stadium.
"There’s no plans to do that right now," Brandon said.

Funny, a year later we have lights despite “no plans” to do so. This is how he works.

The night game jerseys? Not consistent with Michigan tradition, but not awful, and it’s only for a single game. However, it demonstrates Brandon’s willingness to put his thumbprint on a big tradition for one purpose, a money grab. Will it be a harbinger of more to come? I think so.

Now comes the mascot. A mascot does nothing to keep Michigan “ahead of the competition.” But is it going to happen? I think I see a pattern here, from the Detroit News, last week:

“Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon says the school has discussed the possibility of a mascot for the Wolverines, but that it’s “not an active project.” Sound familiar?

We’ll have a mascot next year, despite the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that suggests that even young kids aren’t perfectly happy to be Michigan fans just the way things are. Why? Well, he likes them. Or his grandkids do.

It’s a slick, obvious, Disney move. It isn’t about building a brand. That work was done mostly by others over the preceding 193 years, and over the preceding 130 for football. No. This isn’t branding. It’s Brandon. It’s about putting your thumbprint on something because you can, and tradition be damned.

But Brandon does respond to opposition when it’s expressed: From the Michigan Daily:

“On Friday evening, Brandon took to Twitter, where he likely found his strongest opposition, to clarify his stance.

"@DaveBrandonAD: Sorry to disappoint anyone getting worked up about a mascot — nothing in the works! Gave honest answer to reporter — we consider lots of ideas!""

Brandon has already expressed interest in having the Big House rentable for weddings and parties (cf. AnnArbor.com); And does he like the idea of advertising in the Big House? Yes! From Football Scoop:

“Brandon explains, "The first instinct is to play commercials and display advertising (in Michigan Stadium). We did research with our customers and they said don’t put the damn advertising in our stadium.

"Would I like the advertising streams? Yes, and does everyone else do it? Yes."

Would he like to have stadium advertising? He says he would. I think we have seen the need to take him at his word. He’ll do it, and other things, as soon as he perceives that opposition has evaporated.

To his credit (and for our protection!) Brandon tells you straight up what he’d like to do: completely commercialize UM athletics. He may back off for now; but you can see where he’d like to take the University and the Program.

Caveat Emptor, Catholepistemiad (or University of Michigania depending on your early history preference!).

by LSBlue on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you're right

Brandon does have a corporate mindset to revenue and the running of the department. He tells you flat out what he’d like to do and how he’ll do it. But I think the thing that gets lost here is that Brandon’s main goal is not mamon or silver. It’s the customer. He often quotes Sam Walton for the proposition that you do what your customer wants. Customers, in this case, Michigan fans, will drive what happens next with mascots, jerseys, and the like.

For all the outrage on the internets about the jerseys, they’re flying off the racks. Michigan’s tradition of no night games evaporated because there was demand from Michigan fans and the media to have one. Brandon has said, repeatedly, that he’d like to advertise in the Stadium but that the push back was so great that he won’t. I believe the phrase he used at one point was “what do you think, I’m crazy?”

To me, Michigan fans need to look in the mirror when it comes to why some of these things are being considered. Michigan has one of the largest athletic departments in the country and spends near $115 million a year supporting it and the 27 teams under it. Most of those teams don’t generate a cent, and in fact cost the university money. If Michigan is to be successful in every aspect in sport, it costs money, and that’s what these revenue streams go to support. If Michigan fans don’t like certain things, they shouldn’t buy them. The customer is always right.

The thing that surprises me (among those who dislike or distrust Brandon) is the perception that Brandon is some kind of egomaniac determined to mold everything in his image. I don’t get that. I also don’t understand the perception that everythin is about money to him. It’s not like the guy is going to get a $5 million bonus for his work. The details of his salary and other compensation are at Forbes and the details of his contract are courtesy of the Ann Arbor News. Brandon runs a hundred million dollar business called UM athletics. And he has to find ways to pay for everything.

Getting back to the “molding” or “stamping” aspect of Brandon’s tenure, to an extent, I agree with you. He is, most definitely, putting his mark on the Department. But I guess I don’t see that as a bad thing. Every successful AD in Michigan history has done the same. I simply don’t agree that Brandon doing the same is “Tradition be damned.”

Traditions are constantly evolving. The M GO BLUE banner is a relatively new tradition. Was the Victors walk (installed three years ago) a bad idea? I just don’t think that okaying a uniform with some stitching or contemplating a mascot equates to tradition be damned.

And as a final note, I’m on record disagreeing with your assessment of the coaching firing/hiring. I think Brandon did an excellent job. But that’s one of those things that Michigan fans are never going to agree about.

Irrespective, I do appreciate the contrary viewpoint. This is the kind discussion this post was designed to promote.

Maize n Brew
Because Football is Better with Beer

by Maize n Brew Dave on Jun 20, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

In regards to RR & Hoke. . .

My take on how the RichRod situation was handled is that he didn’t want to go through the process of hiring a coach unless it was absolutely necessary. RR was on thin ice after the OSU game, but Brandon, I think, was willing to go another year with him and figured with a month plus to prepare and a (sorry Miss St) slightly better than mediocre opponent, RR would win or at least get his guys to make a game of it. No problem going into next year. But then the impossible happened. They looked like a pilotless ship. And remember how he was thought to be fired but wasn’t and came in the next day and was fired. My take is that RR and DB decided to go to neutral corners, probably to contemplate the discussion of the afternoon. DB likely demanded to know what RR was going to do about the defense and RR came back the next day saying something like his coaches would be the same and DB said “no they won’t.” RR era over. I know that sounds simplistic. But I don’t think he wanted to be looking for a new coach in January. But events forced his hand.

Those of us who may be singing Brandon’s praises now are not say that DB should be given free reign. We are saying he’s done alright by us so far. But if something sounds bad, say so. Tweet him. Email him. Contact other officials. But he’s more likely to listen to you if you give him something to think about rather than starting with “Dave, you ignorant slut.”

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 20, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally,

I’d like to see the prior emails. I think we’re getting stuff out of context. And even if it was his response to level headed questions, I think he’s got a point. The decision over whether or not Michigan has a mascot will not end life on the planet as we know it.

Maize n Brew
Because Football is Better with Beer

by Maize n Brew Dave on Jun 21, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

>> But I think the thing that gets lost here is that Brandon’s main goal is not mamon or silver. It’s the customer. He often quotes Sam Walton for the proposition that you do what your customer wants.<<

Thanks for the thoughtful reply; as always, you make very fine points. But here’s where it starts for me: who is perceived to be the customer? Students at the University? Alumni? Or is it the general public, the national television audience, or some other amorphous group or combination thereof?

For that matter, why does a great academic institution with a 194 year old existence that isn’t a for-profit business call any of us “customers?” I was a student at Michigan a long time ago, but we were called, “students,” not “customers.” In my kids I put several more “customers” through Michigan, but I thought they were students.

Michigan isn’t an open enrollment school, by the way; as you know, kids are trying like hell to simply get in the door and be students…er…customers. I guess that’s one of the things that makes Michigan different from Wal-Mart. Anyone can walk in the door of Wal-Mart and buy stuff if they have a shirt and maybe shoes on, but not everyone can matriculate at Michigan.

It’s an elite school. And I hate to say it, but that’s one big reason it isn’t like other schools. Michigan as a college is on a much higher quality level than Wal-Mart. And I guess it’s the Wal-Mart (or maybe Disney) attitude that Brandon brings that makes me so upset.

See, I actually think Brandon is a good businessman, and a great organizer. But he is going to dumb-down the image of Michigan, and put it on the same plane as ordinary schools.

Is he after a buck for himself? Hell no. The man’s house in Arizona was a featured Architectural Digest article. He needs nothing for himself. The problem is, he isn’t hiring a fancy architect or decorator to select the things he’s doing at Michigan. He’s the guy, and we’re stuck with his taste level. Wal-Mart is an apt descriptor. I, um, did viddy his powder blue plaid sport jacket the other day…

As an aside, where is it written that the now-mandatory-for-everything business model must be applied to academia or anything else in life that isn’t business for profit? While I don’t view them as mutually exclusive, they are different. Moreover, I believe that the closer business aligns with the athletic department, the more it will call the shots. I think Brandon doesn’t mind this. I believe that he actually thinks it’s the right thing to do.

And that scares me.

by LSBlue on Jun 20, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great points

I agree with you that there is a line between students/alumni and “customers”. And that the blurring of the line is something that rightfully makes people nervous. My larger point there was that the athletic department is catering in part to the university, and in part to the legion of fans that are not affiliated with the university but follow, support and purchase things in great numbers. Those fans make Michigan a “national” attraction. These things so many of us are uncomfortable with are attractive to younger people. If you look at the twitter comments from Michigan’s recruits and recruiting targets, they LOVE the new jerseys (and you shouldn’t read their twitter accounts, you bad person you!). If you look at the way the jerseys are inexplicably flying off the racks, well…. you’re led to the conclusion that maybe Adidas and Michigan were right about the market for them.

My point in all of this is that Michigan crossed that line years ago. Think about it. The luxury boxes. The biggest practice facilities. New stadiums and sports. New scoreboards. The Big Ten Network. Nike/Adidas contracts. The list goes on. Michigan fans, as a whole, have gladly accepted Michigan “going corporate” in order to receive these things. I just find it strange that the majority of fans will tell you it’s okay to go corporate for all of these reasons (including messing with the away jerseys [which adidas has already done]), but the thought of adding a mascot or having a single game “legacy jersey” crosses the line.

I think everyone is up in arms about what the “jersey” and the “mascot” represent. The represent something far more sinister and dreadful than global warming or the Red Menace of ‘52. I just don’t see it that way. Michigan has always licensed its brand power to stupid things. If you look at, and yes I’ll go back to the well, Walmart, there is horrid Michigan stuff all over the place. Perhaps a giant-muscled-humanoid-wolverine punching its way through your chest on a screen print? Yes, that will do nicely and will match my Earnhardt 3ever bumper sticker. And those have been on sale for years.

Michigan crossed “that line” so many years ago that I’m shocked no one noticed. I think the big deal here is that instead of quietly doing it, away from the cameras, Michigan is advertising it. Saying “Hey, we’re not the snobs you think we are.” The problem is, yes, yes we are. And to that extent, I think you’re right, Dave Brandon has misread an extremely loyal, high spending portion of his base market.

I just don’t think he’s really doing anything that new. Remember starter jackets? Zubaz? You could buy a Michigan logo on just about anything before Brandon came on board, and I can pretty much guarantee that the Athletic department was getting a cut of it. Perhaps the biggest mistake he made was making that public.

/as an aside, really enjoying this back and forth/

Maize n Brew
Because Football is Better with Beer

by Maize n Brew Dave on Jun 21, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a matter if identification.

I agree with what you’ve said. Michigan has been branding for many years. I guess what’s different with Brandon is that certain lines that weren’t crossed before have suddenly acquired soft, fuzzy edges.

I think you recognize an important point that Brandon may be missing: I won’t use the word, “snob;” because I think that takes it too far, but I will say that Michigan and its traditions transcend the notion of “a place I went to college,” or “a football team I root for.”

For some of us, Michigan isn’t a brand; it’s a part of our identity. I’m sure that’s true for alumni of many universities, hence the passions that run deep in so many fan bases. When a young person chooses to attend Michigan, it is because in part that student wants to be associated with those traditions, wants to become part of them, and often hopes to be identified with the University and what it stands for.

Make changes to those identifications, even with small details, and lots of people are going to feel that you’re messing with who they see themselves to be.

Ask yourself, why is it so important for us to field a winning football team? In no small measure it’s because we see our school as special, better, or more elite, and since we also have a strong personal identification with the school, their winning makes us feel like winners.

When I was a kid, I knew that Michigan didn’t need a mascot because mascots were for dummies. We had one jersey for home games and winged helmets because these things could not be improved on, and we made these notions a part of ourselves.

Why did a fanbase composed in part of intelligent folks, the alumni, push back so hard on stadium advertising? I think the answer is not that it’s ugly, not that we don’t understand revenue and the needs of the athletic department, not for other reasons. It’s that we see every aspect of our university as a better and more intellectually stimulating place than to allow it. I think we believe that it would cheapen the idea of what the University of Michigan stands for. Whether this is misguided idealism or not is for others to decide, but it’s certainly the prevailing opinion.

Does Brandon get this? To a degree, he certainly does. He loves Michigan. So it’s a matter of style. There are certain things it’s fine for him to play around with.

But there are certain things he touches that are absolutely going to freak out a good chunk of what when I was a kid were called the Old Blues – the alumni, the true believers, the people who have made Michigan and its traditions a part of who they are.

If sports are a mere revenue stream to the school, and traditions are no longer a big part of the University’s game day, I honestly think that something I cherish will be lost, and that makes me a bit sad. I’d rather see Michigan become the University of Chicago, or Harvard, and filed a Division II or III team, than become part of the pro sports mill that college football now is, but I know I’m very unrealistic in thinking this way.

Thanks for putting up with this conversation, I love the blog!

by LSBlue on Jun 21, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops!

In the last paragraph I said “filed” instead of “field,” sorry for the typo. Also I meant to say that I’d rather see Michigan become the University of Chicago, or Harvard, and field a Division II or III team than become part of the pro sports business that college football seems to be on its way to being, if it means wholesale changes to our traditions.

by LSBlue on Jun 21, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Semantics

Colleges & universities call them students/alumni. Lawyers & real estate agents call them clients. Doctors & dentist, psychiatrists & proctologists call them patients. Professional & collegiate sports teams call them fans. Nursing homes call them residents. Clergy call them various things like parishioners, members, the flock, the faithful. Prisons, though not really relevant to this analogy, call them inmates. But when it’s all boiled down to the basics, they are all business/customer relationships. Well, except the prison/inmate one. I’d be hard pressed to fit that in. And despite your distaste for the idea, you and your family are customers of UofM. There is certainly more to the UofM/alumnus relationship than that of TJMaxx & a pimply faced kid. There also are laws that make all these mentioned relationships more responsibility for the entity and more personal for the person. The specifics of the relationships are all different and complex due the various nature of the relationship. But on the bottom of all of it, the business/customer relationship is there.

The idea stated here is not to cheapen the college/student relationship to be equal to a 18 year old deciding to pick up a 12 pack of Coke or Pepsi. That relationship is much more than that, or at least it should be or you’re at the wrong school. First and foremost, anyone carrying a degree from UofM should be as proud of that accomplishment as anything in your life. You have accomplished something that most people in the world could never do. And not for the lack of money, but because they lack the talent or the temperament. Secondly, being an alumnus, you are still very important to the University. They want you to succeed in life and to be a productive member of society. But not because it reflects well on the university, which it does like a spot light. But they want you to succeed because that’s what they do. Whether it’s doctors, sports figures, business people, lawyers or social workers, they are in the business, if you’ll pardon that expression, of making productive members of society.

If the student/alumnus, client, patient, fan, resident, member of the flock, inmate—drop inmate, dang it, I never should have brought that up to begin with—aren’t happy with their various entity, they can take their "interests" elsewhere. I said "interests" instead of "business" because I didn’t want you to think I was trying to force the point. Though most people would say "business" in that spot. The point is that the dynamics of that relationship aren’t much different from one "business" to the next. How the entity or its representatives interacts with the person is important to the well being of any entity, whether it’s UofM and the Alumni, a medical practice and a cancer patient, or TJMaxx and the pimply faced kid. Not understanding the business/customer relationship endangers the entity. And since most people don’t understand the relationship, the entity has to or things begin to flounder. Suddenly, that 194 year old institution has no idea where all the people have gone, when it is in fact the institution that missed the turn where all the people turned, but they "stayed the course". There is a reason ships, even huge oil tankers, have rudders. It’s to keep big things like tankers and universities from crashing on the rocks. We don’t want Big Blue to be the Exxon Valdez. I don’t think anyone wants the campus to look like some sterile corporate office complex. But understanding what makes a person want your product, or more important, what turns off a person to your product is of critical importance. And I agree that looking corporate will turn off a lot of people. Anyone ever been a long time customer of a business and read an ad for the business welcoming new customers with a huge discount? A discount you can’t get as an established customer? They won’t give you the deal even when you ask. How does that set with you? That’s why I don’t see wholesale changes to all things Michigan Sports with DB. Ticking off an old customer to get a new one is bad business. But you still have to understand the relationship at its basic (general) level to improve the relationship on more specific levels.

Now I’ll take my soap box and go.

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 22, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Dave Brandon

I think he’s been pretty damn good. I’ve always been a Michigan fan, but since I go to Ole Miss I feel qualified to say that I agree with everything Ghost wrote about us and I agree with everything in this article/column/story/post thing.

Ya’ll really are in good hands with Dave Brandon, and from an Ole Miss Rebel I really do envy that.

Who do I see about a petition for a real black bear?

by Jevan Snead's Agent on Jun 20, 2011 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Mixed bag for sure

I’m pleased with the renovations at Michigan Stadium. I like the new scoreboards going up all across the Michigan Universe. I think Hoke has turned out to be a great hire (although I think “the process” was bungled). I don’t have any issue with night games. I’m a lifelong Cubs fan, so I’ve been through the, “OMG they’re putting up lights!” thing before. No big deal.
On the other hand, I hate, like OSU hate, the night game jerseys. I hold the same level of contempt for the idea of a mascot. Here’s the problem, I actually agree with MnB Dave, that Brandon is only doing what his customers want. I go to MLive and read all the posts that tell me the jerseys are “dope”. Dope? I didn’t even know people still used that word, and I’m 32. I’m not a blue hair, down in front, type, but I’ve clearly lost touch with the mainstream fan.
I’ve been spoiled by the posters on a few blogs, and forgotten that the majority of Michigan fans are not at all different from those at other schools. The majority want to hear “Let the Bodies Hit the Floor” instead of the MMB. The majority think ProCombat uniforms are “dope.” There are certainly some who think, like me, that all of these things are ruining college football, but we’re not the majority. Brandon is smart enough to avoid wildly unpopular decisions, but his commitment to tradition extends only so far as the popularity of that tradition. To paraphrase a common quotation, we the fans will get the Athletic Department we deserve.

by Waveman on Jun 20, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

>>Colleges & universities call them students/alumni. Lawyers & real estate agents call them clients. Doctors & dentist, psychiatrists & proctologists call them patients. Professional & collegiate sports teams call them fans.<<

No, it’s not semantic. You don’t apply for admission to your doctor or lawyer’s practice; you aren’t graded or tested as a patient, a client, a parishioner or a resident. Your performance isn’t assessed as to whether you should continue, and you can’t flunk out unless you don’t pay your bill. Universities grade their students. Businesses don’t.

There are essential differences between being a student and being a customer.

And a University doesn’t exist to make a profit from its students; it is the students who profit by the education.

As a professional, I’ve heard this business-oriented stuff for many, many years. Calling clients of professions customers has been in vogue for a long time (I go back to the 70s as a professional). But professions like law and medicine (like those in education) also distinguish themselves from businesses: they have obligations to the client or patient that greatly transcend the financial arrangement.

Businessmen don’t have the obligations to the client, the patient, or the student that the professions do. It’s that simple. A realtor’s obligations to his or her client are far less complicated than a physician’s or lawyer’s to his or her client. As a person who’s litigated many, many cases involving professional obligations, including those of realtors, doctors, lawyers, and businessmen, let’s just say that each wears a very different hat.

I’m terribly opposed to lumping professions with businesses, because it tends to blur these important distinctions. We are not all on the same plane, professionally speaking.

I get where you’re coming from, but you’re painting with a very broad brush. Yes, all of these things involve a certain number of transactions. But from there they diverge strongly.

As to the fan base, I’m far more concerned with the student and alumni base than with the general populace, because the students and alumni are far more highly invested in their university than the average joe.

by LSBlue on Jun 22, 2011 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Whatever Dude (or Dudette, as the case may be)

I see you erroneously equate “non-profit” with “non-business”. Oh, and if they are “non-profit” they must not be making money. Money of course isn’t the stated goal. But to think they are simply trying to put out a good product—end of story—makes you as incredibly naive as you are pompous.

You haven’t said one thing that even comes close to make me want to rethink my side. It’s still semantics whether you want to come down off your high horse and join the human race or not.

Sorry to Dave, the Brewmeister. I don’t have the goodwill (BTW that’s a business expression, LSBlue) to go the “we’ll agree to disagree” route. This person could be why so many people think Michigan fans and alums are arrogant.

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 22, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

LSBlue

I appologize for those remarks. That’s not why we blog. And it’s not what I was trying to convey. It hardly matters in the big scheme of things if you don’t see where I’m coming from or if I don’t agree to your definitions. Name calling is a childish reaction to frustrations in communications.

Maize n Brew Dave, I appologize to you for abusing your and your associates’ blog.

I believe I need to practice what I say in my signature block. There are different kinds of crises that reveal your character. I revealed poor character yesterday.

Boy am glad I didn’t send the first thing I worked up. I’d probably be banded. Who knows, maybe I already am!?

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 23, 2011 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

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